[NEohioPAL]American Cancer Society Fundraiser Seeks Entertainers
dottie oliver
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Hello! Long-time community theater member Dottie Oliver here. As entertainment chairman of Twinsburg's 2nd annual Relay for Life, I'm in need of possibly your talents and any possible leads you may offer. My position makes me responsible for keeping people entertained for the 24 -hour period that our, (and all), Relay(s) for Life, lasts.
If you are not familiar with Relay, let me describe it for you: ONE BIG FAMILY-ORIENTED PARTY!!! (For a great cause, of course!) Relay for Life is the signature fundraising event for the American Cancer Society. It was started in Washington state in the late 1980's and has spread nationwide since. It's about a community taking up the fight against cancer. Who hasn't been touched by this dreaded disease? It seems to have touched us all, and yet, progress IS being made! All Relays are done on a town-by-town basis, yet follow a format. Monies raised go directly to cancer research and education. A lot of that research goes on right here in Cleveland, with our great hospital systems. Teams of 8-15 people from businesses, theaters, schools, families, organizations, etc. take turns walking the track at a high school stadium. They've done most of their fundraising ahead of time, so they can have fun at the event itself! We honor cancer survivors, and celebrate their lives by inviting them to walk a victory lap. We have an Opening Ceremony, much like the Olympics, where the teams take the track in their self-designed t-shirts, carrying their banners. We do get solemn around 10:00pm, when all the candle luminaries set out around the track are lit, and the names on each bag, whether in honor of a survivor, or in memory of one lost to cancer, are read. In between, and all night long, it's party time! There's music, dancing, karate demonstrations, karaoke, clowns, magic, etc.!! Maybe some of you have participated in a Relay in your own hometown, and if so, you're aware of how fun, emotional, inspirational, and uplifting a Relay for Life can be! (As Agnes Gooch may have said, "If you've never done the "Chicken Dance" on a wet-with-dew infield at 3:00AM, you haven't lived!")
Where do YOU fit in? Well, I find myself a little short of entertainers this year, especially musically. I have a classic rock and roll band and a Christian rock band coming, but I'd love to add a polka band for the more mature in the crowd, or a big-band sound swing band. Maybe a reggae band, or some folk music? Are you a magician? A clown? A mime? A dj? I could possibly use you! Please keep in mind this is a family event, and all ages are represented. I may need you at odd times, too.Maybe you just know someone who might know someone........all leads are appreciated. I did contact the Cleveland Federation of Musicians, but no response yet.
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<P>Hello! Long-time community theater member Dottie Oliver here. As entertainment chairman of Twinsburg's 2nd annual <STRONG><EM>Relay for Life</EM></STRONG>, I'm in need of possibly <U>your </U>talents and any possible leads you may offer. My position makes me responsible for keeping people entertained for the 24 -hour period that our, (and all), <STRONG><EM>Relay(s) for Life</EM></STRONG>, lasts.</P>
<P>If you are not familiar with<STRONG><EM> Relay</EM></STRONG>, let me describe it for you: ONE BIG FAMILY-ORIENTED PARTY!!! (For a great cause, of course!) <STRONG><EM>Relay for Life</EM></STRONG> is <U>the signature fundraising event</U> for the American Cancer Society. It was started in Washington state in the late 1980's and has spread nationwide since. It's about a community taking up the fight against cancer. Who hasn't been touched by this dreaded disease? It seems to have touched us all, and yet, progress IS being made! All <EM><STRONG>Relays</STRONG></EM> are done on a town-by-town basis, yet follow a format. Monies raised go directly to cancer research and education. A lot of that research goes on right here in Cleveland, with our great hospital systems. Teams of 8-15 people from businesses, theaters, schools, families, organizations, etc. take turns walking the track at a high school stadium. They've done most of their fundraising ahead of time, so they can have fun at the event itself! We honor cancer survivors, and celebrate their lives by inviting them to walk a victory lap. We have an Opening Ceremony, much like the Olympics, where the teams take the track in their self-designed t-shirts, carrying their banners. We do get solemn around 10:00pm, when all the candle luminaries set out around the track are lit, and the names on each bag, whether in honor of a survivor, or in memory of one lost to cancer, are read. <STRONG>In between, and all night long, it's party time!</STRONG> <STRONG>There's music, dancing, karate demonstrations, karaoke, clowns, magic, etc.!! </STRONG>Maybe some of you have participated in a <STRONG><EM>Relay</EM></STRONG> in your own hometown, and if so, you're aware of how fun, emotional, inspirational, and uplifting a <STRONG><EM>Relay for Life</EM></STRONG> can be! (As Agnes Gooch may have said, "If you've never done the "Chicken Dance" on a wet-with-dew infield at 3:00AM, <U>you haven't lived</U>!")</P>
<P>Where do YOU fit in? Well, I find myself a little short of entertainers this year, especially musically. I have a classic rock and roll band and a Christian rock band coming, but I'd love to add a polka band for the more mature in the crowd, or a big-band sound swing band. Maybe a reggae band, or some folk music? Are you a magician? A clown? A mime? A dj? I could possibly use you! Please keep in mind this is a family event, and all ages are represented. I may need you at odd times, too.Maybe you just know someone who might know someone........all leads are appreciated. I did contact the Cleveland Federation of Musicians, but no response yet.</P><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br>
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>From Fred Sternfeld" <FSternfeld at aol.com Mon Apr 15 09:21:16 2002
From: Fred Sternfeld" <FSternfeld at aol.com (Fred Sternfeld)
Date: Mon Apr 15 08:21:16 2002
Subject: [NEohioPAL]Results of the neohiopal "to review or not to review" Poll
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"Yes, keep the reviews" -- 164 votes (74%)
"No, get rid of the reviews" -- 59 votes (26%)
SO, REVIEWS OF ALL KINDS WILL STAY A PART OF THE NEohioPAL SCOPE.
The comments were varied and instructive and I have included many (with
permission of the authors) at the end of this e-mail.
NEohioPAL Mission Statement:
The Northeast Ohio Performing Arts List exists: (in random order)
1) to promote cooperation & support within the performing arts community
2) to promote free discussion of our work by providing a forum for
critical opinion and educational essays
3) to provide arts organizations and individual artists an easy way to
promote their events thereby making the whole performing arts community
immediately aware of opportunities.
Here are some "rules" that should help each of you remain satisfied with the
content of NEohioPAL...
1) All reviews will be clearly marked with the word "review" in the
subject line. That way those of you who don't want to read them can delete
them without opening. I will continue to forward all of Roy Berko's
reviews. If other professional critics (defined as someone hired by the
media to review) decide to post to the list, those will be forwarded as
well. If you are seeking reviews, you can easily access them on-line by
going to these websites: The Plain Dealer -- www.cleveland.com, The
Cleveland Scene -- www.clevescene.com, The Cleveland Free Times --
www.freetimes.com, The Cleveland Jewish News --
www.clevelandjewishnews.com. There may be others, but I am not aware of
them.
2) All of Jeff Holland's "Mike and Ike" reviews will be prefaced in the
subject line with: 'A Mike & Ike Satirical Look at ...' That way those of
you who don't want to read them can delete them without opening.
3) All personal reviews, editorials, commentary, etc. should be clearly
marked as such in the subject line: A few examples.....
"My Opinion of..."
"Personal Review of..."
"Personal Opinion of..."
or something else that makes it clear that the content is solely the opinion
of the writer. That way those of you who don't want to read them can delete
them without opening. Up to this point, the posting of these kinds of
messages has been minimal. If they increase significantly I will create a
message board / forum that will be linked to my website to allow for ongoing
discussion.
I will reject postings that don't follow these "rules." A rejected posting
will get a message from me with correction instructions.
If you have any complaints about the content of a message, please reply to
the poster.
To those of you who participated in this poll, Thank You!!
Warm Regards,
Fred Sternfeld
http://www.fredsternfeld.com
PS -- NEohioPAL statistics:
a.. There are currently 1,441 subscribers; 1042 receive their messages
"one-at-a-time" and 398 receive their messages "digest" style.
b.. Last week there were an unprecedented 84 postings. The previous high
was 59.
The rest of this e-mail contains subscriber comments about the "to review or
not to review" issue. I contacted each person to ask permission to post
their comments. If they decided to post their comments they had the option
of signing it with their name, e-mail address or 'anonymous.' If you don't
want to read the personal opinions below, by all means close this message
and delete it.
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Angry letters are the bane of any publication, including an
e-list. My advice is to ignore the angry letters, and keep posting the
reviews. Any censorship is evil-even if it's done with good
intentions.
I vote yes.-Tim Smith
Senior Designer/Webmaster
Cleveland Free Times
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Dobama Company Member
tsmith at freetimes.com
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Professionally: Let freedom of speech win out and include what is submitted
that is directly related to theatre. Your readers can press the delete key
as needed.
Personally: I am not thrilled about the personal reviews as stand alone
e-mails. I would prefer that if reviews were used (only by theatres
performing that show) that they be used in conjunction with the details
regarding the run, tickets, etc. If I want to read a review, I can pick up
a reputable paper and read the review of the professional critic on staff.
Sandra Emerick
S.Emerick at csuoho.edu
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Yes - I have come to know which reviews I want to read and which not-the
same as I know by the subject which messages I read and which I don't.
Laurel Hart
lhart at scpsohio.com
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I feel that this wonderful website should not be used for personal opinion.
However, I do believe that professional critiques provide insights usable as
a learning tool for actors and directors alike. Jeff Holland's parodies
have nothing to offer; educationally or otherwise, and I for one would like
to have 'ike and mike' discontinued. In allowing 'ike and mike' to continue
could open a floodgate of chat-room repartee that is not appropriate to this
particular website.
Anonymous
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A resounding yes!
I am all for a nurturing enviornment, but this is show business!
Andrew May
Artistic Associate
The Cleveland Play House
216 795.7000 ext. 208
amay at clevelandplayhouse.com
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YES! Keep reviews in the list! I have no other way of reading some
reviews-like Roy Berko's-without subscribing to the publications he
is printed in. Plus, as a community, if someone feels really strongly
about a production-so much so that they want to share it with everyone
on this list-I want to know.
If people don't want to read them, don't!
mindyc at antioch-college.edu
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if it matters-
make a separate mailing list for those who wish to receive them. I for one
would rather not have extra mail if I don't have to.
Anonymous
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Yes, and the people who send angry, unfair letters to Fred should be removed
from the list.
Anonymous
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I personally enjoy the reviews, both informal and formal-I think I would
draw the line at personal comments expressed as "letters" (which I have
rarely seen here). And I feel that informal reviews should only be of a
positive nature; more in the nature of a recommendation to the list to see a
particular show.
I feel that it is of great benefit to see well-thought out descriptions of
productions (in fact, I have written one:)-- I have found out about shows I
wouldn't have known about other wise; and for the actors praised in such
communiqués, it is a nice pat on the back!
Sincerely, Lissy Gulick
LissyGulick at aol.com
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Let everyone's opinion - negative or positive - be voiced. It's good to face
the vitriol as well as the nectar.. I feel strongly about this.
Thomas Q. Fulton, Jr.
tqf at po.cwru.edu
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I don't think they belong on the list. At best they're mildly
irritating - when they come in floods from certain puffed-up theaters who
will go unnamed, I feel it smacks of elitism and unnecessary bragging. We
know where the reviews are - if we want to read them, we'll find them.
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YES! Freedom of Speech should always win.
If someone starts spouting obvious filth, we might want to revisit, but
anyone in the theatre should have a thick enough hide to withstand the
occasional negative comment...
Cheers.
Wayne Turney
WSTurney at aol.com
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I vote for the elimination of reviews and editorializing. I too
believe in the First Amendment. Indeed, I am a bit of
a fanatic about it. On the other hand I think what you
put together with the FredWeb is something special
that has a specific purpose. As you stated, if a
theatre organization wants to publicize something from
the paper...fine. But to get into a tit for tat...is
counterproductive to what I think you are trying to do
here.
Perhaps you should start a web of public opinion
concerning the theatre and theatre productions.
Martin Friedman, Ph.D.
martinfriedman98 at yahoo.com
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I DON'T think that personal opinions or reviews either + or -, by amateurs
or pro's should be posted. If people want to share their reviews, they
should send it to their personal email list, or to a message board that we
all agree to access for NEOHIOPAL. As a matter of fact, wasn't one set up
way back when? This is a terrific service. I access it for a variety of
reasons, but NOT to hear what Joe Blow thinks about The production of
Oklahoma at Chagrin Valley Little Theater or any other production/venue for
that matter. It will become un-terrific if it becomes an on line "podium".
As long as you're asking, here are the listings that I look for as an
entertainer and employer:
1. Audition/casting notices
2. Meeting notices; union or otherwise relating to the entertainment
industry
3. Production dates
4. News i.e.: "_(your name here) , is appearing on The Soprano's Sunday at
9pm" or any unbiased "news" pertaining to anyone in any sector of
entertainment
5. Workshop/class notices
6. Hirings, firings and other re-org's ie: "Andrew May is the new
assistant artistic dir. at The CPH" or "James Bundy is leaving GLTF to work
at Yale University"
But NOT what you or anyone else "thinks" about any of these subjects. There
are newsletters, web sites and personal emails for that purpose.
That's what I think!
Thanks for asking.
Jean Zarzour lipschtick at lipschtick.com
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Personally, I don't want to see reviews. Don't look at it as censorship so
much as traffic control - we get tons of emails that are just notices about
upcoming events and that is what this list should be used for -
opportunities and event announcements - not reviews - let someone else start
a "Review List" - you must be busy enough -
for what it's worth - and thanks for asking -
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I think if you post the reviews from the "professional reviewers", you have
to post the personal reviews, as well. I feel that it is the right choice. I
personally liked reading Hester's comments, and am happy to have another
opinion other than Roy Berko's! I feel that an open discourse is not only
appropriate for theatre, but the varying opinions are essential to theatre.
also, there is a little thing known as the "delete" button. If I choose not
to read the Mike and Ike stuff, all I have to do is just push the "delete"
and it goes away really easily.
how dare these people send you angry e-mails. if they don't like it, then
let them leave your listing and set up their own system. I think you should
just choose to "delete" their messages without reading them!
Sheila Maloney
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You know, all I wanted to do was something just a little different, ,maybe
make some people laugh, and bring back some popular characters from my film
criticism days. I'm sorry if I've caused you any undue weariness. That was
not my intention.
I'm gonna get one more review in before the High Sheriff's (To use Joe Bob
Briggs' term) vote to send me to Siberia. It's going to be for "The Robber
Bridegroom" a show at the University of Akron that I am in that opens this
week. What's funny is most of the cast and the director are on the list and
they can't wait for it. lol
Anyway, before the axe does fall, I just wanted to say again that I really
appreciate you letting me do these. A lot of my "fans" have subscribed to
my list that I'm building, so at least when it comes down I have another,
albeit smaller outlet.
And, on the off chance that the intelligent people win (I'm sorry, but this
entire debate is stupid. However, we must listen to the masses) I will
happily continue to piss off more people and make even more laugh.
Sorry about the length of this. Guess these are my comments to your
question. I'm not going to vote either way, since I'm part of the
controversy.
Now, let's just see what happens.
I'll have the review of my show in hopefully tomorrow.
Jeff Holland (Mike and Ike)
rdoughnuts at yahoo.com
P.S. my one bitter gripe about this whole mess: Jeez, you'd think theatre
people would have a sense of humor. Oh, well. k, I'm done now.
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Reviewing the Reviewers:
In addition to my previous comments, I just want to say that I think the
"Ike and Mike" reviews by Jeff Holland are terrific. They are witty,
ingenious, and well-crafted, and provide a clean, fresh view of the role of
performing arts in our lives.
Many of us have gone to colleges and been through theater arts programs that
emphasized the involvement of the student in theater production, through
acting, design, production work, etc. Few programs, however, ever emphasize
the audience's role-it amazes me how film students will see prodigious
numbers of movies and television programs in their classes, while theater
students have to rely on their imaginations to visualize play texts in our
history classes. We aren't taught to actually go to the theater and
appreciate drama in our own programs, surprisingly enough.
What I like about Holland's reviews is that the characters in his little
dramas (also a clever rhetorical effect) give the sense of having no
intellectual baggage when they walk into the theater; they are there for the
experience alone. And that's how they comment on it, with very few
preconceptions. This is a distinctly American viewpoint on theater, and one
that needs to be revived.
After reading Jeff's reviews, other reviews seem stiffly formal, formulaic,
and consumer-oriented. The "Ike and Mike" reviews to me are a breath of
fresh air, and I look forward to every one. Long live Ike and Mike!
· Jim Smith
jsmith at gallodisplays.com
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I vote YES. I read the reviews I'm interested in and delete the rest,
unopened. We don't all get all of the papers or know where to look for the
reviews on the web (or have the time, for that matter). But if it's not
worth the hassle to you for all the negative mail you get, I understand. As
it is, this is a great service to all of us.
Anonymous
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I am saddened that, in this post-911 era we now find ourselves in, you have
been put in this position. for god's sake people grow up. if you don't
want to read the review/opinion - hit the delete button and stop using Fred
as a dumping ground.
Evelyn Carr
ECARR at davisyoung.com
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I favor including the reviews, but not the personal opinions, as this is
not a discussion list. Let listers discuss their opinions back channel.
And I would not tolerate angry letters, which are, after all, only personal
opinions. Again, if your policy is to include reviews, there's no point in
venting against you when you include something someone doesn't want.
And if you continue to get flack about the reviews, I'd favor your
discontinuing them altogether. You're providing a valuable service to the
artistic community, and there's no reason you should be abused for that
service.
Thank you for being there.
Carole Clement Mentor, Ohio USA
http://www.cadvision.com/sdempsey/clement.htm
clement at ncweb.com
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wow! That's a tough call. Since the whole "critic" thing is totally
subjective anyway, maybe there needs to be an opt-in forum to present those.
Perhaps a message board? I know it's more work for you if you choose that
route, but maybe someone on the list would be willing to facilitate
something like that?
Kathy Whitmore
Kabbw at aol.com
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Hell yes! Keep it all in!
Andrew B. Narten
Producer, JazzTracks
WCPN / 90.3 FM
anarten at wcpn.org
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First of all, I am always amazed at the number of people who, over the
years, TELL you how to run this service. A friendly suggestion is fine, but
how about remembering that this service is provided as a courtesy to all
fellow performing artists, free of charge. HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
I personally don't find a problem with any reviews that are public
anyway(i.e- PD SCENE etc..). I suppose if something is REALLY out of line
and not public, you reserve the right to not post it on NEOpal lists.
Critics all have their own opinions. Some have professionalism handle all
shows with a graceful tact-whether or not is a positive or negative review.
Others are crude and classless in their approach (which doesn't gain an
ounce of respect in my book) I know many times I agree with them and just
as many I DON'T. Critics are not the be all end all BUT reviews are a part
of this business and unfortunately we have to deal with them. How about if
we all get our OWN spine and decide for ourselves how we feel about
productions. ITS OK NOT TO AGREE WITH THE CRITIC.
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YES. I think that reviews SHOULD be allowed in the newsletter. If people
feel that their shows have something to hide, they shouldn't be out there at
all. That's what performing is. I also wanted to say that the purpose of
this newsletter isn't to be warm and fuzzy and just give praise, but to give
critical commentary about the Cleveland arts environment. There are
discussions about all different aspects of theater, good and bad, and if
honest reviews are not deemed appropriate for this venue, then I am not sure
I want to be a part of this group. I will go to the newspapers and free
times to get HONEST reviews, and come to this e-mail string if my ego is
down and I only want powder puff praise.
I praise you for allowing these reviews on your list, however I understand
if you are forced to remove them. Sometimes you just have to pick your
battles.
Anonymous
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Yes, freedom of speech....yes, yes, yes. Isn't that what art is all about?
Deanna
azhrde at ameritech.net
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In the spirit of positivity and simple basic grace towards one's fellow
artist (something often sadly lacking in the world today) I vote for no
personal opinions or negative reviews. Criticism is essential to art, but
the context of the criticism is also important for the art to flourish. I'm
not convinced that the opinion of the general subscriber to this list can be
defined as constructive criticism.
As to the "free speech" issue. If one is passionately interested in having
her opinion made public, it is quite easy these days to create one's own
public forum with a web-page.
Thanks for asking....
Becca Fishel Bright
rfishel at siu.edu
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NO.
My opinion is that you're very generous and kind to have organized this
mailing list and YOU DO NOT NEED ANY ADDITIONAL GRIEF from those who
disagree with someone else's opinion that has shown up on the list. This
list is NOT a chat room. If it was, I wouldn't be a member of it. Frankly,
I don't read most of what comes thru on the list UNLESS I AM SPECIFICALLY
INTERESTED based on the subject matter. I don't have time to read
everything and I will continue to do so whether reviews/peoples' opinions
are on the list or not. If people are disturbed by others' opinions, they
should not read them. Just because it's there doesn't mean you have to give
it your attention. Therefore, my NO response to your question is based on
the fact that you, as list moderator, need not have the added burden of
supervising children playing during recess. It gets messy.
Ksenia
ksenia at clvhts.com
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YES-I agree that all reviews and opinions should be expressed. Tell the
complainers to go get a life! Don't they know how to hit the delete button
if they don't want to read something. It's your website!
nonosgrammy at msn.com
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no, reviews & personal opinions should not be part of neohiopal. the link
thing is okay (the way you do it, i.e. for reviews go to....etc.)
thanks
Anonymous
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Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion - you have the choice not to read
them if you don't care to. Let them submit the reviews for those who would
like to hear other opinions. (Thanks for asking!)
cherie_dillon at hotmail.com
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YES - Keep all reviews and opinions in. I enjoy reading differing opinions.
It gives the reader an unbiased review of the show(s) in question. I have
read so many great reviews about shows that were not worth the time or
money, so if at least one other person offers another perspective it would
be appreciated. I know the atmosphere is "supportive" but there are so many
great shows that never get coverage - and if all we read are good reviews of
bad shows, it makes the unrecognized casts feel worse. I would like to see
more reviews altogether.
Thank You,
Larry Braun - broadway-bound at msn.com
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I would continue to send what you have been sending
for personal opinions, maybe that literally could be put in the heading so
someone can delete it if they don't want to read it, I don't feel that
personal opinions need to be sent but if it is in the heading then I can
delete it
but any type of reviewer or consistent reviewer should be sent with detail
in the heading so people have the choice of reading it or not
but folks have always had the option of deleting what they don't want to
read
it would be the same if someone read a review or article in a newspaper, if
the author offended you, then you just wouldn't read his review or column
again
and yes, it is free speech
sincere in support
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Because I was at work when I responded, I didn't take the time to address
another matter, but I'd like to now. Clearly, myself and several other
people felt strongly enough about this issue to contact you, and I really
didn't appreciate that we were mocked in Jeff Holland's review for "Saturday
Night." I'm specifically speaking of his comment "That ought to be good for
another couple of angry letters." (Mine, for one, certainly wasn't
"angry.")
I'm sorry to see you allowing the list to be used in this way, and that's
why I think that limiting "reviews" and other personal opinions, and
focusing on the dissemination of valuable arts information (which I believe
has always been your intention), would be the best solution here.
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I think FREEDOM OF SPEECH should be exercised on "THE LIST" and to prove it
so...I have met over 35 people thanks to a listing I put on re: JOINING SAG
and putting in my 5 cents in re: SCAM AGENCIES!
In no way were those email "OPINION" based and in fact, they were pasted
from SAG.com and a letter sent to me by my attorney.
Another writer, Bobby, posted FACTS re: agencies in his email that helped
EVEN ME understand the EIC code of ethics rules re: agent operations.
I think what is happening is that the guilty parties are feeling a little
uncomfortable with the TRUTH.
I am all for "POSITIVE" listing or information that PRODUCES positive
results. Thanks to my listings, I have helped over 35 people understand SAG
better and now they actually visit my site to share positive information
with me.
Thank you.
Mitch Berlingeri
NOW-U-KNOW at rocketmail.com
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Isn't allowing only positive reviews a little one sided?...even if they are
used by each organization to promote their show. Art is, by it's nature,
controversial; and as an Arts forum, this list has the obligation to air
both sides. We, as artists, are aware that each review is only one person's
OPINION...whether it is good or bad. Personally, "dueling reviews" always
make me more curious to see the production.
I say, let 'em all in! Not every show is a winner...if we don't experience
some not so good shows, how will we recognize the truly wonderful ones?
Lenne Snively
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My vote is to keep reviews and personal opinions; I don't mind a bit and
read the "Ike & Mike" column, especially if I've seen the show. Thanks,
Fred!
Pamela Sago
Pamela.Sago at penske.com
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Interesting that you ask the question since I was wondering about that
myself. I noticed the list gets a little out of hand. My initial thought was
not to publish, but if you're going to publish the positive reviews, then
all the rest should be allowed as well. That's part of theater. People upset
with them should realize that. By performing you put yourself out there and
have to realize some people may not like what they see. What I find
particularly annoying is posts or comments that mention other reviews as if
the person was incorrect in their opinion. It's an opinion. Anyway, I guess
I'd let them run. What you may want to do, to cut down on the clutter, is
put a limit on the number of posts about a particular show or topic. It
seems some folks put announcements up when someone sneezes and it just seems
a bit much. The current topic fits with this since one of the theaters
involved always seems to post opening announcements, midrun announcements,
closing announcements, reviews, letters in response to reviews, yada, yada,
yada. Good people, good shows, but the clutter is a bit much and obscures
messages from others. Anyway, that's just my opinion. And like a review, you
can agree or disagree but I thank you for letting me put it out there.
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I think you should send out whatever is in the best interest of theater in
Cleveland....
And tell the people who complain about the reviews to learn how to scroll
past them. :)
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It seems to me that, since this is a free service you offer, and not a
"club" or organization that requires membership or the payment of dues, you
should be free to send out anything you want, within the guidelines of
keeping people posted about events, etc. in the world of the arts. If people
don't like what you're sending them, they are free to stop getting the
e-mails at any time. I also feel that people in the arts who can't accept
criticism, whether constructive or not, are in the wrong business.
Lori
lfeeney at neo.rr.com
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I believe that criticism, either good or bad, is part of the business-and
therefore appropriate material for a theater-business mailing. The Indiwire
(Independent film email list) includes reviews of films, why should you
exclude it. Especially since your emails are always titled, if someone
chooses, they do not need to read a review.
Thanks for asking,
Joe Ruffner
ruffnerj at worldnet.att.net
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I was in the cast of "The Hairy Ape" at CPT. While we got mostly great
reviews from The Plain Dealer and The Free Times, Roy Berko had some things
to say that, though largely negative, were helpful and thought provoking for
me to read. As artists, we put ourselves out there knowing that we will at
one time or another be subject to some form of critical analysis. I think
it is refreshing to get this sort of feedback from colleagues (after all,
who better to assess our work?), rather than some pretentious newspaper
critic. You are right. This list is intended to be a means of collective
support. It is for that reason that you should consider continuing to mail
reviews. I say this because true constructive criticism is intended to help
us grow, and if we are all REALLY here to support each other, that should be
a primary goal. An idea for you might be to designate/allow as many as 2-6
"critics". The varying viewpoints could be very interesting. I enjoy Roy
Berko's cut and dry critiques equally as much as I enjoy Jeff Holland's
light-hearted dialogues. I may be just another idealist, but I really do
think people are being too touchy. I think that we can only benefit from
seeing the world from many different angles.
Sincerely,
Megan Elk
megzasinga at yahoo.com
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Although I see several of those reviews listed in the Plain Dealer or
elsewhere, having them listed helps those who don't subscribe to the papers.
I suppose I would vote "yes" because I've enjoyed the contradictory
viewpoints from those read in the newspapers and WHY they found the
production positive, etc. If I'm not interested, a simple push of the
delete button isn't much work!
Thank you for this wonderful service and the time you devote to it.
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yes. As a non performer (but a performer's parent) I have found myself
attending more shows because of the legitimate reviews. This list has made
me realize what a live theater environment we are in.
Maybe if you have people who submit reviews, put in the Subject: REVIEW:
title, etc. that way you know it is just that.
Thank you!!! Shirley O'Connor
Swoconnor at aol.com
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Yes. It is, and should be, an open forum. The free exchange of ideas is what
its about. Keep up the good work.
Noah Budin
Nbudin at aol.com
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It's too bad that you are getting the angry letters. It's a shame that some
people don't have a sense of humor. The 'Ike and Mike' reviews are really
not meant to be reviews - they are just humorous banter about a show they
have seen.
My vote is 'yes'. I say don't censor - freedom of speech should prevail.
Thanks for heading up this e-mail list. I've found it to be very valuable.
I'm sure it can be somewhat time consuming on your part. I applaud your
efforts!
Thanks,
Theresa Benyo
theresab at bright.net
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LET FREEDOM RING!
If people don't want to read them then don't read them!
I don't like half the reviews I read or at least don't agree with them but
it is the job of the reviewer to do just that review...for better or worse.
We all know that 2 people can see the same show and come out with two
incredibly different opinions! It happened twice within the past month, see
"The Interview" and "Virginia Wolf" vis a vi Tony Brown and Roy Berko.
However it is not your job to censor. I complain about reviewers and
reviews as much as anyone but in this case I believe the open forum serves a
greater purpose.
Keep them in
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I think you should absolutely include reviews in your emails. you clearly
state in the subject line that it is in fact a review. if there a person or
persons who do not like to read the reviews, they can delete or bypass the
mail without ever opening it.
further, we are actors, actresses, singers, dancers, designers, etc. it is
our job, the job we have chosen to do to perform and display our craft for
an audience. it is the nature of the business to put ourselves in a
situation for spectator feedback. if people can't handle the negative
criticisms along with the positive, perhaps the should choose a different
field to work in.
thank you for the opportunity to share my thoughts.
sincerely,
jenna messina
jennmess74 at hotmail.com
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Yes, by all means include reviews, I don't particularly find Ike and Mike
humorous, or to my liking, but you know what? I can delete it!
Judy MacKeigan
cen07756 at centurytel.net
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I've been a working actor in NYC for the past 7 years(Originally from NW
Ohio) and I truly enjoy all the emails I receive regarding what's going on
in the theatre world in Cleveland and Canton, etc...
I happened to read the "Mike & Ike" review of Carousel Dinner Theatre's
"Phantom" and was quite amused. I believe, as artists, if we cannot laugh
at ourselves and our craft that we take oh so seriously 99% of the
time...then where are we?
There are plenty of folks out there that see plays and musicals alike, like
"Phantom", and respond similarly to the way the "Ike and Mike" script
responded. I think everyone has the right to express their opinion even if
it is an unfavorable one in the industry. It's still the truth to a group
of people. (however large or small.)
Most people didn't like the NY Times review of Frank Wildhorne's "Cival
War"...but the truth of the matter is it was an enormous piece of commercial
crap that made very little sense. I say...let's call a spade a spade. Even
if my spade may be different than someone else's.
Sincerely,
Joe from NYC
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YES!
This is a great list service and recently, I have been
even M O R E impressed with the valuable information
listed regarding agencies and the scams that they may
or may not portray.
Let me also tell you this: I have been acting on stage
for quite some time. Maybe it's just pure laziness,
but I have never taken the time to fully understand
the rules of SAG.
Well, a listing from a member made things much clearer
for me. So much in fact, that I did some research and
they were right on!
So I thank them, as well as you. Why? For allowing
such postings, freedom of speech and most importantly:
a really terrific service to the acting community!
Carmen Marrero
coca2137 at yahoo.com
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This is in response to the question regarding reviews and opinions being
posted on the NEohioPAL Lists. I am a strong advocate for freedom of
speech, and yet I can also see how some would rather not see them. In the
theatres I have worked in thus far, directors and producers request to their
cast that discussion of reviews not take place in the theatre, as not to
disrupt or offend any company member who does not care to see them. They
also tell the cast where the reviews will be posted, for those who wish to
read them. I believe that the NEohioPAL list is set up the same way. The
list of topics that precludes the actual information has been invaluable to
me. For those people who do not want to read those pieces that are reviews
or opinions of shows, I would suggest to them that they note where they are
in the group. Then simply bypass them, or depending on your e-mail setup,
don't open them. If anyone has a problem still, perhaps they should be
reminded that NEohioPAL is a free listing, and it's very rude to bitch and
moan about a free service. On that note, I would like to thank Fred
Sternfeld for this service, and the time he has spent in keeping it
together. In the three years I have been in Cleveland, the NEohioPAL list
has helped to integrate me into Cleveland Theatre and to make friendships
that I will cherish forever. Thank you, Fred.
Sincerely Yours,
Sabrina Gibbar
Producer, Dobama's Night Kitchen
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I say yes.
However, w/ regards to personal opinion "reviews," perhaps you should set up
a rule that the personal opinion has to be written like a review or a letter
to the editor, and people must be able to command the English language i.e.
be well written (sorry, I'm really punchy this morning...)
I'm sorry these angry opinions are wearing you out...
I appreciate your willingness to continue posting positive reviews as pr.
It really does help, especially the smaller budget theatres.
I hope you are well, and Fred, I continue to support what you are doing w/
this list.
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Just thought I'd throw my two cents in on this topic.
First, I'm sure you know you can never make everyone
happy. Let me suggest a compromise.
If there are folks who want to make reviews available
to the list members, perhaps they could post them to
an independent web page and provide that link to the
list. It would mean a bit more work for the reviewer
but all-text web pages are not too difficult or time
consuming. In that way, those of us who enjoy the
reviews (like me) can go read them and the others will
not be "bothered".
Second and finally, thanks for the list. I live in
Canton, so many of the gig notices are a bit out of my
way, but it is good to be kept up to date on the state
of the arts in all of NE Ohio instead of just my tiny
corner of it. Keep up the good work and don't let the
bastards get you down.
Deb Salberg
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No - For your sake, Fred, the simpler the better. I, too, believe in
freedom of speech and opinion. However, sometimes you can get too many
chiefs in the tent. If the list is kept to a non-biased display of audition
info, classes, and shows, no one can be offended or complain to you. You
put a ton of hard work into this list, and it shows. I am a novice actress
trying to get some experience in this line of work. If it weren't for your
list, I can honestly say I'm not sure I would have been able to learn so
much about the acting community and its auditions in Cleveland. Keep up the
great work!
Sincerely,
Amy Annico
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I sure don't want to make more work for you, but I do not like reviews
and personal opinions on neopal. Everyone thinks their own (or their
friends') show is the greatest. A link to a review allows the reader
decide if he wants to find out someone else's opinion.
Joe Kerata
asegra at bbs2.rmrc.net
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How awful for you that you do this wonderful e-mail list and not be shown
the gratitude what you are doing deserves! It is such a wonderful marketing
tool: quick, easy, and free, and reaches so many people. Anyway, here's
what I think since you asked for our votes. If I'm not interested in the
show, I don't read the review. Professional reviews such as Roy Berko's are
published and circulated anyway, so I don't see a problem with those such
reviews being distributed on this list. I enjoy reading the Mike & Ike
reviews because they are funny. I think it is questionable whether
non-professional reviews should be distributed - although they are usually
positive, which is great for the theatre to which they refer, we don't know
anything about the people sending the message, so we don't really know if we
can trust their opinions or not. I think what you have been doing in the
past is fine. That is my vote. Thanks again for doing this list - it is
great!
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Great question. I would vote "NO." You said to me just last week how much
the subscriber list has grown. The list of postings has obviously grown,
too. The reviews and opinions clutter up the list that much more.
To be honest, I am less likely to spend time reading ANY postings when I
have 15 or more on a given day. I just start deleting. I would love to see
the list reduced to audition and performance notices only.
I mentioned I thought that the postings should be left to auditions and
performances only. Let me expand upon that a bit to say that I think there
are definitely some exceptions, a good example being the notice you put in
for a dedication to Steve Sterlekar. News postings that affect the theatre
community as a whole I feel are appropriate and could be left to your
discretion as moderator.
Thanks,
Patrick Jansen
Pjanson02 at aol.com
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Yes, I would agree that you have a bit of a problem here. All I know is
that your newsletter is terrific, a great asset to the theatre
community...and it has changed over the last month or two because people
are what?...using it for the wrong reasons? and/or using it like email, to
begin a dialogue. Clutter, I guess. The reviews don't bother me because at
least they shed light on where and when shows are happening. The personal
notices are irritating. The length of some notices is irritating. they go
on forever just pumping their action. But I don't know how you would
control all of this and I'm not sure you should try. It is your deal so I
suppose you could try to make any kind of restrictions that you wish. In
fact, here's an idea...go back into your mind when you began this
idea. What were your initial dreams and ambitions for the site? Is it
becoming something you don't like? Answer those questions and act upon them
as you see fit. If I had to vote I guess I would vote "No" reviews and
personal stuff doesn't bother me (even though the personal stuff
does.) Take care. Congrats on Saturday Night.
William F. Hoffman
Director of Education
The Cleveland Play House
Phone:(216) 795-7000, ext. 251
http:\\www.clevelandplayhouse.com
bhoffman at clevelandplayhouse.com
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Yes, keep the reviews. As you said, this list is a supportive environment
for the acting community, and reviews of any kind provide publicity for the
shows they concern. And as we all know, there is really no such thing as
bad publicity. Also, I feel that the sharing of personal opinions is more
than appropriate for the list. Thank you for putting it to a vote.
Sincerely,
Jamie Hoffman
JLH112816 at hotmail.com
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I would say, Fred, that whether or not reviews
are appropriate depends on what you would define as being
the purpose of the list. If it's a discussion list, then reviews
are fine. If it's a general theatre interest list, then reviews are
fine.
If it's a sort of billboard for theatre productions and theatre
related products and services, which is how it's used most of the
time, then reviews are not within the scope of that. I
don't care if reviews are included, as long as they are not negative
towards a show I'm involved with -- I can provoke enough negative
feedback on my own.
Mike Sepesy
http://m.d.sep.home.att.net/
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I've got to tell you that I am in favor of continuing your practice of
allowing reviews (any kind) to be sent on the list. People should be
entitled to their opinions. I feel that if you don't care for what the
person is saying...then don't read it. That's what the "delete button" is
for. :)
Jack Herman, Founder-President
Tree City Players
JHerman312 at aol.com
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I enjoy reading them all. People have the all-American right to
exercise the delete key.
On the other hand, Fred, it's your list. If the headaches outweigh
the benefits for you, let somebody else start the "NEOPerforming Arts
Reviews, Opinions, Kvetches, and Random Noodlings" list. You're doing
a boatload of work to keep this afloat, so in my opinion, it's not even
about
how people "vote". Do what you like.
- Linda Eisenstein, herone at en.com, www.lindaeisenstein.com
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ABSOLUTELY YES !!
If people don't like it, they can delete it. That is why the
computer Gods put that little key that says "del" on it
right on the right hand side of your keyboard. It comes
in very handy......P.S. Sorry to hear this issue is causing
you agita....it should be a no-brainer.
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I think as the keeper of the service, you should decide. Though I
also believe one can decide not to read reviews or opinions if they
bother them. And really what's wrong with extending the scope of
anything. Grow.
YES
Eric Johnson
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I am sending a definitive YES answer to your question.
Artists (of any medium), being that our work is of a subjective nature,
leave themselves open to the subjective interpretations and opinions of
anyone else participating in our craft. That includes viewers, sellers,
buyers, fellow artists, critics, and the general public - in short, anyone.
All artists know the pain of criticism against what they hold dear, and
dedicate themselves to achieving. We spend our entire lives searching for
our own truth, and find bits along the way that we try to share with others,
only to be laughed at, rejected, scoffed at, dismissed, etc., etc., etc. IT
GOES WITH THE TERRITORY. If you can't handle that, then art (in any form)
is not for you.
Freedom of speech is disappearing everywhere today - the "mob" of public
opinion influences everything to such a degree that even in the arts,
decisions are geared towards what is "palatable" and "sellable" for the
masses. Like when theaters do shows that have little artistic merit, but
have huge box office grosses (do the two go hand in hand?). And I'm not
just talking about the *movie* theaters.
Although I have not contributed much to this forum (not having played
organizational roles in the theater yet), I have to say that if this forum
is turned into a "touchy-feely" version of its former self that is toned
down to pacify those who have neither the stomach or courage to pursue their
artistic inclinations, then I'm not sure I will still subscribe.
Having said all that, I *do* appreciate the time and work that is put
into this list, helping those of us in the area that want to pursue theater.
It is a huge help.
Sincerely,
Craig Thompson
pigsinsteadofwriters at hotmail.com
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I think there is far to much credence given to reviews and local reviewers,
they certainly don't make or break a run of a community show or end careers,
and after the run they are quickly forgotten,,I was told long ago if you
start believing your notices good or bad, you're doing theater for the
wrong reasons...I say a big no.....
Martine Cespedes
StMartine at aol.com
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Maybe people have forgotten that you maintain this massive list free of
charge to us, and that angry letters are not a kind way to treat someone who
is giving us a gift for free. "yes" - personal reviews and opinions of each
other's work should be allowed on a list of this type, with at least two
ground rules in place:
1) All reviews should be written in a spirit of camaraderie and constructive
comments. Several of the reviews posted have motivated me to see the shows,
if for no other reason than to compare reactions.
2) All angry letters should be directed towards the person responsible for
the objectionable material. If someone disagrees with Jeff or Roy's
opinions, they should have the guts to duke it out with Jeff or Roy. You
don't deserve to be dragged into it. To make you play "mommy" because
someone got their feelings hurt is unfair to you and an act of cowardice on
their part.
Thanks for the service!! It is greatly appreciated!!!
JT Buck
darnay2 at hotmail.com
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I like the words 'review' or 'personal opinion' or some other obvious
marker in the subject - that way if I'm not interested I can just delete
and not read.
As usual, thank you for all you do,
~ Rachel Madorsky
Rmadorsky at aol.com
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OF COURSE keep the reviews going. YES, YEs, Yes!.
Free speech aside, it is good to hear another opinion. People who are
unwilling to hear a, perhaps, differing opinion wear the proverbial blinders
and can only see from their point of view. These are also the kind of
people that espouse, "Don't confuse me with facts, my mind is already made
up." There is no growth for these people. While I usually disagree with
reviews, I will always -- ALWAYS -- want to read them.
Ron Spinelli
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YES. As long as the person sending it in identifies themselves. Debate and
criticism are essential parts of the arts. Anyone who can't handle a
negative review (wherever it happens to be) probably should get out of
theatre. and of course, no one has to read a review if they don't want to.
I personally usually delete them. but if some want to post them and others
read them, they should be allowed. Alex J Nine. CatbyteAJ9 at aol.com
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Hi, Fred - I vote NO....
...mostly because I always breeze right past the Mike and Ike stuff
impatiently and just scan the reviews for familiar names. I think these
things are definitely post-worthy, but perhaps a separate list is the
solution.
I also think that it will be impossible to set any kind of guideline as to
what would be accepted for posting, once the forum is opened wide to reviews
and personal opinions. The selection/editing process is no longer arbitrary
and it's a can of worms that will land directly in your lap, I'm afraid.
You've done a marvelous job
administering this list, but I don't think this will make your job easier in
ANY way. It's a headache you just don't need or deserve.
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We should not be so frail, that a negative review not be posted. BUT
certainly we should take care to insure the negativity isn't being spread by
persons not directly affected. (Some may be happy for another
theatre/performers poor review.) Perhaps we should find message boards
for these kinds of things..Or a chat room with designated times for people
in the arts to opening discuss our "issues"(greater Cleveland),whatever they
may be.
The general advertisements are OK and easy to delete. I would like to take
this time to thank you for pulling this information together for the
theater community...:-)
Anonymous
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My opinion is that they should not be included in the everyday content of
the list. Some of them are silly and take time from information theater
people need and want. However, for those who want to read them perhaps
there can be an e-mail address or some way they can be accessed. That way
the integrity of the main list is kept intact but people can take a "detour"
to read the various opinions and reviews.
Anonymous
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If we as artists are not strong enough to face or deal with a valid opinion
from another artist, or open ourselves to another viewpoint differing from
our own, how could we possibly truly call ourselves artists? This
difference of opinion and melting pot of thoughts and views is what all of
art is based upon. If we cannot accept a view that does not hold true with
our own, no matter how much we may personally fear it, then perhaps we are
in the wrong field.
-Brian Bowers
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I think that those people who don't like the reviews - don't have to read
them. It is very informative and interesting to me to read reviews and
opinions that I don't have time to look up for myself - a negative comment,
or constructive criticism, is not necessarily unsupportive. We get this
Email so that we can stay informed with what it going on, and if there is
something negative to be said, that keeps us informed too. I frankly wish
that there were more reviews.
I am really amazed that people find the time to send angry Emails - if they
don't like it, delete it and go do something else.
Anonymous
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First, I would like to say thank you for tending to this list serve, it
is rather impressive. I am new to the list serve (Chuck Fink and Noah
Budin told me about it). I graduated from KSU with a BA in theatre some
time ago, and have been working full time in the corporate world - but I
am hoping to become more involved in theatre.
Anyway - my vote is YES - I'm a "card carrying member" of the ACLU. I
believe that freedom of speech and personal expression is the paramount
right in a free and democratic society. This is a freedom that is
precarious indeed, and the arts have always been threatened by it
(Maplethorpe for example) and as a "torch bearer" of sorts, I owe it to
those around me to hear them out - even if I am adamantly opposed to
what they are saying.
Those are my two cents. Again, thanks so much for being the "keeper of
the list" as it were!
Anastasia Birosh
Cleveland Heights
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I vote to exclude from the list those that fall into the category of
personal opinion and continuing with those that are professional reviews,
published or republished. There are public forums out there for those who
wish to express their personal opinions.
Hang in there... this online controversy will at some point pass... leaving
you ready for the next one! Your work is appreciated by this subscriber.
All the Best,
Steve FitzGerald
Lakewood Buzz founder
Email: steve at lakewoodbuzz.com
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absolutely - yes. reviews are an integral part of our business -positive or
negative. Anyone who wants all theater news to be positive is in the wrong
business.
f.
mularo
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yes,
reviews and other comments should be allowed to be
posted on this list,
in a business such as this, we are constantly
subjected to criticism of all kinds, whether it be a
professional review or a parody all in fun.
actors need to learn to laugh at their own
performance, if they cant, are they not enjoying their
own profession?
Anonymous
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I vote yes. You've got to take the good with the bad. In this business we
stick our collective necks out (a lot), so you've got to expect that heads
will roll once in a while. We can take it. We're a strong bunch.
Janet Shank
Fine Arts Association Theatre Dept. Chair
JanLeap at aol.com
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I agree that personal opinions are a waste of
space and a irritation on this format. That's what
chat rooms are for. I did appreciate the information
from aftra about bogus agencies, though. I also do not
like the posting of reviews. There are so many shows,
and so much to look at, it's just a little overkill.
If one is interested in reviews, one can read the
paper.
Anonymous
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Overall, yes, I appreciate personal reviews. I don't feel professional
reviews have the end-all opinion. I always ask friends for an opinion of
something they have seen. But I do feel the reviews on your service should
contain the subject line: Personal Review: (Insert name of show), so we know
in advance what it is.
On the other hand, my e-mail is becoming very clogged. I find I'm deleting
more and more NEohioPAL e-mails without opening them.When I write e-mail
announcements to be sent, I appreciate the huge audience that subscribes to
your service. But, as the recipient, I often feel overwhelmed by the volume
of e-mails.
I would prefer you limit the service in other ways. Rather than omitting
personal reviews, I'd rather you omit, for example, high school shows,
non-theatre musical events and other things that aren't purely theatre.
Anonymous
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My belief is that the PAL listing is a service designed to provide relevant
information to the community interested in the arts. It should serve as a
central address to enable those on the list to easily retrieve information
they deem relevant.
As long as the "Subject" information is clear, I see no reason why
submisssions should be edited. This includes the juxtaposition of reviews by
theatres, as well as individual responses to publicly generated reviews and
comments by editorial writers in the local papers.
Tact and good sense would seem to be the measures by which PAL subscribers
may determine whether they choose to read, or delete, submissions that are
posted.
Sincerely,
Jeff Grover
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YES.
I fully support the posting and/or exchange of opinions within the framework
of the NEohioPAL service and appreciate the opportunity to see reviews and
opinions whether I agree with them or not (& I certainly have had ample
opportunity to be on both 'sides').
Free speech is a treasured freedom and I believe we should all be supportive
of it while realizing that reviews and opinions are "just that" and should
cut you a little slack in serving as the conduit...
Thanks very much.
All the best,
Jim McCormack
mccormackjim at hotmail.com
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As much as I dislike negativity concerning community theater, the issue of
freedom of speech is of more concern. Unfortunately if you do not pass stuff
like that along, you could be open to a lawsuit or would have to shut the
service off.
I usually delete anything that I do not like anyway which the other readers
can do. If you get unfavorable mail, you should return it to the sender to
advise to complain ti the source.
I do suggest that if there was something that you or your staff saw was
objectionable and you felt that something need to be addressed, you still
have the option of returning it to the author for reread it and give him
the opportunity to revise or withdraw it before passing on to us. I know
that I would seriously reread something that was returned to me before
reapproving for mass distribution.
Bob Fadeley
rfadeley at go.com
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I certainly don't mind reviews. I suggest that if readers don't wish to read
reviews, for them to take note of the subject header, which usually implies
that the following message is a review. Then delete it.
For those posting reviews, you might request that they put the word "Review"
in the subject line.
Cheers, Cat Kenney
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Once again I can't "THANK YOU" enough for helping me out so much with this
helpful list.I feel that personal opinions and reviews should be
allowed........Thanks for asking!
Have a great day,
Mark A. Mazzocco
PS: if you ever receive any critism of something I acted in, then delete
it...just kidding.
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In answer to you inquiry, I do not feel that a person's personal opinions or
reviews should be included. I try to see everything I can, theaterwise, and
don't feel someone else's opinion, however well meaning, will influence me,
one way or the other. Above and beyond all that, I don't have time to read
the stuff that I'm supposed to, let alone the rest of it. So, since you
asked....
Anonymous
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Yes, however, I don't like to get e-mails that give me a long list of
all the shows that a person's child is in (excluding Betsy Hogg's
mom-Broadway is a pretty big deal) If I wanna know I will call a parent
personally.
Reviews and critics are part of theatre. Some people hate criticism all
together and think "how dare they say something bad about our show or my
performance" Theatre is an art form. It evolves, has shape, and should
entice discussion and thought. Why do we do theatre if it doesn't cause
someone to be motivated or feel a certain emotion or cause change?
Perhaps there could be an on-line theatre forum created for Cleveland to
discuss art that is going on around us.
Anonymous
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Yes, reviews and opinions should be allowed because it's all part of
theatre. Everyone has an opinion, positive or negative, and should be able
to share that with others they think can appreciate it. If some people on
the list don't want to read reviews or anything they fear might be negative,
they should skip those posts when reading the list. Personally, I've used
the reviews on the list which don't appear in my local papers to decide if a
show is worth seeing or not.
Thanks for putting it up to a vote.
Linda
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YES! I agree; all points of view should be represented! Let's not fall prey
to censorship; apply the "if you don't like it, don't read it" principle!
Thanks for asking and thanks for the service! Keep up the good work!
Anonymous
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Yes!
as an active member of the theatre community, i enjoy getting the opinion of
other members of the community whose opinion i value. i can pick up the
plain dealer or other papers anytime to read reviews, HOWEVER, being as
active as most members of the theatre community are, i do not have contact
with people i know, have worked with, respect, etc, on a regular enough
basis. seeing others' opinions, to me, does not show any particular bias on
your part. i also have a hard time figuring out why it would be detrimental
to your list.
as always, thanking you for providing a much needed service to the theatre
community. and yes, i believe personal opinions and reviews should be
allowed.
sincerely
Jen Krejsa
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I would vote for less reviews. Your last comment about approving arts
organizations posting positive plugs for their shows is a good one. If an
organization wants to post a link or a few quotes about a review to generate
more interest in one of their shows, that would be fine, but the personal
reviews, and ones not sent from the producing organization have become too
subjective. Thanks for asking our opinions and as always Thank you Thank you
Thank you for maintaining such a useful tool as this list has become!
Mark Ross
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I am sorry if I was one of the Emails that was wearing you out. I have
always felt extremely lucky to have an information and communication source
such as the NEohioPal list. And that it is what I always thought it to be.
A list for information regarding theatre and a communication source to link
Clevelanders interested in the arts. Posting critiques of others' work on
this list especially from those not affiliated with a professional
organization, or by writers who are only using the list to have a joke at
other people's expense makes this forum hurtful to many people. Maybe it's
just that I don't feel that my opinion regarding another actors' performance
is important enough to force it on a thousand people. Or maybe I wish that
more people felt that way as well. Either way, if this continues, I believe
that NEOhio Pal which is currently a valuable communication source for all
of us, will degrade itself into a back and forth gossip collumn masqaradeing
as "reviews". I for one hope that that is not allowed to happen.
Anonymous
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I believe this is actually an important subject. It really boils down to the
original published mission statement of the NEOhioPAL, and whether or not
reviews or public commentary/ opinion fall within that mission statement. I
seem to remember that you had a mission statement, though I don't remember
verbatim what it said. No one knows the mission statement better than you -
you created it after all! - and this situation is the reason for its
existence - to gauge whether
decisions that are made or directions that are taken fit within the original
framework on which the entity was founded. This is the only way to keep this
objective and not a matter of public opinion/interpretation. If you frame
the ultimate decision within that context, I cannot see how anyone can fault
you. If they don't agree with the original mission statement, then they
should not have become a member of the list. If the list has strayed from
its original purpose, then it is time to reign it in. As I recall, the
mission was to serve as an informational resource for the performing arts
community to find out about auditions, performance schedules, special events
and classes. It was to serve as a "classified" section to put out notices
looking for directors or designers. It was a means of announcing to the
performing arts community items like the AFTRA protests or the closing of
the Ford Agency - a news source for situations that immediately impact the
local performing arts community. All of these are objective rather than
subjective, and have served as a free resource for struggling non-profit
performing arts groups or individual artists who would have no other means
of getting the word out.
Even unique situations like the announcement about Steve Sterlekar seems
appropriate within the context of the list's mission, as it was a news item
that directly affected the local performing arts community and was the most
effective means of notifying
everyone that we had lost one of our own.
Reviews and public opinion do enter the realm of subjective commentary and
editorializing. I guess I am not convinced that these reviews - whether by a
newspaper critic or an individual expressing their own opinion - fall within
the purpose of the list as originally published. And if that is the case, I
guess I am as much at fault and have benefitted from it as much as anyone.
If we allow the critic's reviews on the list, I am not sure we can prevent
other editorials from emerging either. I guess the question is: where does
one draw the line between an informational resource (in my mind, an
"objective" purpose) and a venue for editorializing (in my mind, a
"subjective" purpose). It just seems to devalue the overall mission of the
list. But maybe I am wrong and it falls within the original mission
statement.
I would be curious to hear your thoughts and to re-read you first
introductory email to Sternfeld's List.
However this plays out, Fred, I hope that this situation can be looked at as
serving to reevaluate, to reintroduce, and to reinforce the purpose of the
list. You probably do not hear enough thank yous from people for the great
resource you have been providing.
So, thanks!
Anonymous
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Firstly, thanx for keeping the list going. i believe that it has been so
helpful in the creation of a feeling of community for the arts here. Cheers!
I feel the reviews are occasionally interesting but the personal opinion
stuff is useless in my opinion. After all it isn't a chat room. To me that
is a different thing.
Anonymous
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000><EM>S<SPAN=20
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial>The comments were <SPAN=20
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial>Here are some <SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>"rules" </SPAN>that should help each of you =
remain=20
satisfied with the content of NEohioPAL...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial>1) All =
reviews <SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>will</SPAN> be clearly marked with the word =
"review" in=20
the subject line. That way those of you who don't want to read them can =
delete=20
them without opening. I will continue to forward all of Roy =
Berko's=20
reviews. If other professional critics (defined as someone hired by the =
media to=20
review) decide to post to the list, those will be forwarded as =
well.<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002> If you are seeking reviews, you can easily =
access them=20
on-line by going to these websites: The Plain Dealer -- <A=20
href=3D"http://www.cleveland.com">www.cleveland.com</A>, The =
Cleveland Scene=20
-- <A =
href=3D"http://www.clevescene.com">www.clevescene.com</A>, =
The=20
Cleveland Free Times -- <A=20
href=3D"http://www.freetimes.com">www.freetimes.com</A>, The =
Cleveland=20
Jewish News -- <A=20
href=3D"http://www.clevelandjewishnews.com">www.clevelandjewishnews.com</=
A>. There=20
may be others, but I am not aware of them.</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><STRONG>2) All of Jeff =
Holland's=20
"<SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002>Mi</SPAN>ke and <SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>I</SPAN>ke" reviews will be prefaced in the =
subject=20
line with:</STRONG> <STRONG>'A Mike <SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>&</SPAN> Ike Satirical Look=20
at ...' That way those of you who don't want to =
read them=20
can delete them without opening.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial>3) All personal =
reviews,=20
editorials, commentary, etc. should be clearly marked <SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>as such </SPAN>in the subject line: A few=20
examples.....<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002> =20
</SPAN>"My <SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002>O</SPAN>pinion =
of..."<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002> =20
</SPAN>"Personal Review of..."<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002> =20
</SPAN>"Personal Opinion of..."<BR>or something else that makes it clear =
that=20
the content is solely the opinion of the writer. That way those of =
you who=20
don't want to read them can delete them without opening.<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002> Up to this point, the posting of these kinds =
of=20
messages has been minimal. If they increase significantly I=20
will create a message board / forum that will be linked to my =
website to=20
allow for ongoing discussion.</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><SPAN =
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002><FONT face=3DArial><STRONG><EM>I =
will reject=20
postings that don't follow these "rules." A rejected posting will =
get a=20
message from me with correction =
instructions.</EM></STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><STRONG>If you have any complaints about the =
content of a=20
message, please reply to the poster.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial>To those of you who participated in this =
poll,=20
Thank You<SPAN =
class=3D680484501-12042002>!!</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><STRONG>Warm Regards,<BR>Fred =
Sternfeld<BR></STRONG><A=20
href=3D"http://www.fredsternfeld.com"><STRONG>http://www.fredsternfeld.co=
m</STRONG></A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#008000><STRONG>PS -- NEohioPAL=20
statistics:</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<LI><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#008000><STRONG>There are currently 1,441 subscribers; 1042 =
receive=20
their messages "one-at-a-time" and 398 receive their messages "digest" =
style.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN>=20
<LI><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#008000><STRONG>Last=20
week there were an unprecedented 84 postings. The previous high was=20
59.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></LI></UL>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#ff0000>The rest of this e-mail contains subscriber =
comments about=20
the "to review or not to review" issue. <SPAN =
class=3D680484501-12042002>I=20
contacted each person to ask permission to post their comments. If =
they=20
decided to post their comments they had the option of signing it with =
their=20
name, e-mail address or 'anonymous.' </SPAN> If you don't =
want to=20
read the<SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002> personal opinions =
below</SPAN>, by all=20
means close this message and delete it.</FONT> =20
</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>Angry letters are the bane of any publication, including =
an<BR>e-list. My=20
advi<SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002>c</SPAN>e is to ignore the angry =
letters, and=20
keep posting the<BR>reviews. Any censorship is evil-even if it's done =
with=20
good<BR>intentions.<BR>I vote yes.-Tim Smith<BR> Senior=20
Designer/Webmaster<BR> Cleveland Free=20
Times<BR> -- and --<BR> =
Dobama=20
Company Member<BR>tsmith at freetimes.com<BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
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ONT></DIV>
<P>Professionally: Let freedom of speech win out and include what is=20
submitted<BR>that is directly related to theatre. Your readers can press =
the=20
delete key<BR>as needed.<BR><BR>Personally: I am not thrilled =
about the=20
personal reviews as stand alone<BR>e-mails. I would prefer that if =
reviews were=20
used (only by theatres<BR>performing that show) that they be used in =
conjunction=20
with the details<BR>regarding the run, tickets, etc. If I want to read a =
review,=20
I can pick up<BR>a reputable paper and read the review of the =
professional=20
critic on staff.<BR><BR>Sandra Emerick<BR>S.Emerick at csuoho.edu<BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>------------------------------------------------------------</FO=
NT></P>
<P>Yes - I have come to know which reviews I want to read and which =
not-the same=20
as I know by the subject which messages I read and which I =
don't.<BR>Laurel=20
Hart<BR>lhart at scpsohio.com<BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>--------------------------------------------------------------</=
FONT></P>
<P>I feel that this wonderful website should not be used for personal=20
opinion. However, I do believe that professional critiques provide =
insights usable as a learning tool for actors and directors alike. =
Jeff=20
Holland's parodies have nothing to offer; educationally or otherwise, =
and I for=20
one would like to have 'ike and mike' discontinued. In allowing =
'ike and=20
mike' to continue could open a floodgate of chat-room repartee that is =
not=20
appropriate to this particular website.<BR>Anonymous<BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>--------------------------------------------------------------</=
FONT></P>
<P>A resounding yes!<BR>I am all for a nurturing enviornment, but this =
is show=20
business!<BR><BR>Andrew May<BR>Artistic Associate<BR>The Cleveland Play=20
House<BR>216 795.7000 ext. 208<BR>amay at clevelandplayhouse.com<BR><SPAN=20
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--</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P>YES! Keep reviews in the list! I have no other way of =
reading=20
some<BR>reviews-like Roy Berko's-without subscribing to the publications =
he<BR>is printed in. Plus, as a community, if someone feels really =
strongly<BR>about a production-so much so that they want to share it =
with=20
everyone<BR>on this list-I want to know.<BR><BR>If people don't want to =
read=20
them, don't!<BR>mindyc at antioch-college.edu<BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>----------------------------------------------------------------=
</FONT></P>
<P>if it matters-<BR>make a separate mailing list for those who wish to =
receive=20
them. I for one would rather not have extra mail if I don't have=20
to.<BR>Anonymous<BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>---------------------------------------------------------------<=
/FONT></P>
<P>Yes, and the people who send angry, unfair letters to Fred should be =
removed=20
from the list.<BR>Anonymous<BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>---------------------------------------------------------------<=
/FONT></P>
<P>I personally enjoy the reviews, both informal and formal-I think I =
would draw=20
the line at personal comments expressed as "letters" (which I have =
rarely seen=20
here). And I feel that informal reviews should only be of a =
positive=20
nature; more in the nature of a recommendation to the list to see a =
particular=20
show.<BR><BR>I feel that it is of great benefit to see well-thought out=20
descriptions of productions (in fact, I have written one:)-- I have =
found out=20
about shows I wouldn't have known about other wise; and for the actors =
praised=20
in such communiqu=E9s, it is a nice pat on the back!<BR><BR>Sincerely, =
Lissy=20
Gulick<BR>LissyGulick at aol.com<BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>----------------------------------------------------------------=
---</FONT><BR><BR>Let=20
everyone's opinion - negative or positive - be voiced. It's good to face =
the=20
vitriol as well as the nectar.. I feel strongly about =
this.<BR>Thomas Q.=20
Fulton, Jr.<BR>tqf at po.cwru.edu<BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>----------------------------------------------------------------=
----</FONT><BR> =20
I don't think they belong on the list. At best they're mildly =
irritating -=20
when they come in floods from certain puffed-up theaters who will go =
unnamed, I=20
feel it smacks of elitism and unnecessary bragging. We know where =
the=20
reviews are - if we want to read them, we'll find =
them.<BR>Anonymous<BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>----------------------------------------------------------------=
------</FONT><BR>YES!=20
Freedom of Speech should always win.<BR><BR>If someone starts spouting =
obvious=20
filth, we might want to revisit, but anyone in the theatre should have a =
thick=20
enough hide to withstand the occasional negative=20
comment...<BR><BR>Cheers.<BR>Wayne Turney<BR>WSTurney at aol.com<BR><FONT=20
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<P>I vote for the elimination of reviews and editorializing. I =
too<BR>believe in=20
the First Amendment. Indeed, I am a bit of<BR>a fanatic about it. On the =
other=20
hand I think what you<BR>put together with the FredWeb is something=20
special<BR>that has a specific purpose. As you stated, if a<BR>theatre=20
organization wants to publicize something from<BR>the paper...fine. But =
to get=20
into a tit for tat...is<BR>counterproductive to what I think you are =
trying to=20
do<BR>here.<BR><BR>Perhaps you should start a web of public=20
opinion<BR>concerning the theatre and theatre productions. </P>
<P>Martin Friedman, Ph.D.<BR>martinfriedman98 at yahoo.com<BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>----------------------------------------------------------------=
------------------------</FONT><BR>I=20
DON'T think that personal opinions or reviews either + or -, by amateurs =
or=20
pro's should be posted. If people want to share their =
reviews, they=20
should send it to their personal email list, or to a message board that =
we all=20
agree to access for NEOHIOPAL. As a matter of fact, wasn't one set =
up way=20
back when? This is a terrific service. I access it for a =
variety of=20
reasons, but NOT to hear what Joe Blow thinks about The production of =
Oklahoma=20
at Chagrin Valley Little Theater or any other production/venue for that=20
matter. It will become un-terrific if it becomes an on line=20
"podium".<BR>As long as you're asking, here are the listings that I look =
for as=20
an entertainer and employer:<BR>1. Audition/casting =
notices<BR>2. =20
Meeting notices; union or otherwise relating to the entertainment=20
industry<BR>3. Production dates<BR>4. News i.e.: "_(your =
name here)=20
, is appearing on The Soprano's Sunday at 9pm" or any unbiased "news" =
pertaining=20
to anyone in any sector of entertainment<BR>5. Workshop/class=20
notices<BR>6. Hirings, firings and other re-org's ie: =
"Andrew=20
May is the new assistant artistic dir. at The CPH" or "James Bundy =
is=20
leaving GLTF to work at Yale University"<BR>But NOT what you or anyone =
else=20
"thinks" about any of these subjects. There are newsletters, web sites =
and=20
personal emails for that purpose.<BR>That's what I think!<BR>Thanks for=20
asking.<BR>Jean Zarzour =20
lipschtick at lipschtick.com<BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
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I don't want to see reviews. Don't look at it as censorship so =
much as=20
traffic control - we get tons of emails that are just notices about =
upcoming=20
events and that is what this list should be used for - opportunities and =
event=20
announcements - not reviews - let someone else start a "Review List" - =
you must=20
be busy enough -<BR>for what it's worth - and thanks for asking=20
-<BR>Anonymous<BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
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-----------</FONT><BR><BR>I=20
think if you post the reviews from the "professional reviewers", you =
have to=20
post the personal reviews, as well. I feel that it is the right choice. =
I=20
personally liked reading Hester's comments, and am happy to have another =
opinion=20
other than Roy <SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002>B</SPAN>erko's! I =
feel that=20
an open discourse is not only appropriate for theatre, but the varying =
opinions=20
are essential to theatre.<BR>also, there is a little thing known as the =
"delete"=20
button. If I choose not to read the Mike and Ike stuff, all I have to do =
is just=20
push the "delete" and it goes away really easily.<BR>how dare these =
people send=20
you angry e-mails. if they don't like it, then let them leave your =
listing and=20
set up their own system. I think you should just choose to "delete" =
their=20
messages without reading them!<BR>Sheila Maloney<BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>----------------------------------------------------------------=
--------</FONT><BR><BR>You=20
know, all I wanted to do was something just a little different, ,maybe =
make some=20
people laugh, and bring back some popular characters from my film =
criticism=20
days. I'm sorry if I've caused you any undue weariness. That =
was not=20
my intention.<BR>I'm gonna get one more review in before the High =
Sheriff's (To=20
use Joe Bob Briggs' term) vote to send me to Siberia. It's going =
to be for=20
"The Robber Bridegroom" a show at the University of Akron that I am in =
that=20
opens this week. What's funny is most of the cast and the director =
are on=20
the list and they can't wait for it. lol<BR>Anyway, before the axe =
does=20
fall, I just wanted to say again that I really appreciate you letting me =
do=20
these. A lot of my "fans" have subscribed to my list that I'm =
building, so=20
at least when it comes down I have another, albeit smaller =
outlet.<BR>And, on=20
the off chance that the intelligent people win (I'm sorry, but =
this entire=20
debate is stupid. However, we must listen to the masses) I will =
happily=20
continue to piss off more people and make even more laugh.<BR>Sorry =
about the=20
length of this. Guess these are my comments to your =
question. I'm=20
not going to vote either way, since I'm part of the =
controversy.<BR>Now,=20
let's just see what happens.<BR>I'll have the review of my show in =
hopefully=20
tomorrow.<BR>Jeff Holland (Mike and=20
Ike)<BR>rdoughnuts at yahoo.com<BR>P.S. my one bitter gripe about =
this whole=20
mess: Jeez, you'd think theatre people would have a sense of =
humor. =20
Oh, well. k, I'm done now.<BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
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</FONT><BR><BR>Reviewing=20
the Reviewers:<BR>In addition to my previous comments, I just want to =
say that I=20
think the "Ike and Mike" reviews by Jeff Holland are terrific. =
They are=20
witty, ingenious, and well-crafted, and provide a clean, fresh view of =
the role=20
of performing arts in our lives. <BR>Many of us have gone to =
colleges and=20
been through theater arts programs that emphasized the involvement of =
the=20
student in theater production, through acting, design, production work,=20
etc. Few programs, however, ever emphasize the audience's role-it =
amazes=20
me how film students will see prodigious numbers of movies and =
television=20
programs in their classes, while theater students have to rely on their=20
imaginations to visualize play texts in our history classes. We =
aren't=20
taught to actually go to the theater and appreciate drama in our own =
programs,=20
surprisingly enough. <BR>What I like about Holland's reviews is =
that the=20
characters in his little dramas (also a clever rhetorical effect) give =
the sense=20
of having no intellectual baggage when they walk into the theater; they =
are=20
there for the experience alone. And that's how they comment on it, =
with=20
very few preconceptions. This is a distinctly American viewpoint =
on=20
theater, and one that needs to be revived. <BR>After reading Jeff's =
reviews, other reviews seem stiffly formal, formulaic, and=20
consumer-oriented. The "Ike and Mike" reviews to me are a breath =
of fresh=20
air, and I look forward to every one. Long live Ike and=20
Mike!<BR>=B7 Jim=20
Smith<BR>jsmith at gallodisplays.com<BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>----------------------------------------------------------------=
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vote YES. I read the reviews I'm interested in and delete the =
rest,=20
unopened. We don't all get all of the papers or know where to look =
for the=20
reviews on the web (or have the time, for that matter). But if =
it's not=20
worth the hassle to you for all the negative mail you get, I =
understand. =20
As it is, this is a great service to all of us.<BR>Anonymous<BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>----------------------------------------------------------------=
----------</FONT><BR><BR>I=20
am saddened that, in this post-911 era we now find ourselves in, you=20
have<BR>been put in this position. for god's sake people grow up. =
if you=20
don't<BR>want to read the review/opinion - hit the delete button and =
stop using=20
Fred<BR>as a dumping ground.<BR>Evelyn =
Carr<BR>ECARR at davisyoung.com<BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>----------------------------------------------------------------=
-------------</FONT><BR><BR>I=20
favor including the reviews, but not the personal opinions, as this =
is<BR>not a=20
discussion list. Let listers discuss their opinions back=20
channel.<BR><BR>And I would not tolerate angry letters, which are, after =
all,=20
only personal<BR>opinions. Again, if your policy is to include =
reviews,=20
there's no point in<BR>venting against you when you include something =
someone=20
doesn't want.<BR><BR>And if you continue to get flack about the reviews, =
I'd=20
favor your<BR>discontinuing them altogether. You're providing a =
valuable=20
service to the<BR>artistic community, and there's no reason you should =
be abused=20
for that<BR>service.<BR><BR>Thank you for being there.<BR><BR>Carole=20
Clement Mentor, Ohio USA<BR><A =
href=3D"http://www.cadvision.com/sdempsey/clement.htm"=20
target=3D_blank>http://www.cadvision.com/sdempsey/clement.htm</A><BR>clem=
ent at ncweb.com<BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial=20
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--------------------</FONT><BR><BR>wow!=20
That's a tough call. Since the whole "critic" thing is totally =
subjective=20
anyway, maybe there needs to be an opt-in forum to present those. =
Perhaps a=20
message board? I know it's more work for you if you choose that route, =
but maybe=20
someone on the list would be willing to facilitate something like=20
that?<BR><BR>Kathy Whitmore<BR>Kabbw at aol.com<BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>----------------------------------------------------------------=
---------------------</FONT><BR><BR>Hell=20
yes! Keep it all in!<BR> Andrew B. Narten<BR>Producer,=20
JazzTracks<BR>WCPN / 90.3 FM<BR>anarten at wcpn.org<BR><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>----------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------</FONT><BR>First=20
of all, I am always amazed at the number of people who, over the years, =
TELL you=20
how to run this service. A friendly suggestion is fine, but how about=20
remembering that this service is provided as a courtesy to all fellow =
performing=20
artists, free of charge. HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!<BR><BR>I personally =
don't=20
find a problem with any reviews that are public anyway(i.e- PD SCENE=20
etc..). I suppose if something is REALLY out of line and not =
public, you=20
reserve the right to not post it on NEOpal lists.<BR>Critics all have =
their own=20
opinions. Some have professionalism handle all shows with a graceful=20
tact-whether or not is a positive or negative review. Others are crude =
and=20
classless in their approach (which doesn't gain an ounce of respect in =
my=20
book) I know many times I agree with them and just as many I =
DON'T.=20
Critics are not the be all end all BUT reviews are a part of this =
business and=20
unfortunately we have to deal with them. How about if we all get our OWN =
spine=20
and decide for ourselves how we feel about productions. ITS OK NOT TO =
AGREE WITH=20
THE CRITIC.<BR>Anonymous<BR><SPAN =
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
---------------------</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR>YES. =20
I think that reviews SHOULD be allowed in the newsletter. If=20
people<BR>feel that their shows have something to hide, they shouldn't =
be out=20
there at<BR>all. That's what performing is. I also wanted to =
say=20
that the purpose of<BR>this newsletter isn't to be warm and fuzzy and =
just give=20
praise, but to give<BR>critical commentary about the Cleveland arts=20
environment. There are<BR>discussions about all different aspects =
of=20
theater, good and bad, and if<BR>honest reviews are not deemed =
appropriate for=20
this venue, then I am not sure<BR>I want to be a part of this =
group. I=20
will go to the newspapers and free<BR>times to get HONEST reviews, and =
come to=20
this e-mail string if my ego is<BR>down and I only want powder puff=20
praise.<BR><BR>I praise you for allowing these reviews on your list, =
however I=20
understand<BR>if you are forced to remove them. Sometimes you just =
have to=20
pick your<BR>battles.<BR>Anonymous<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
------------------------------</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><BR>Yes,=20
freedom of speech....yes, yes, yes. Isn't that what art is all=20
about?<BR>Deanna<BR>azhrde at ameritech.net<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
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<P>In the spirit of positivity and simple basic grace towards one's=20
fellow<BR>artist (something often sadly lacking in the world today) I =
vote for=20
no<BR>personal opinions or negative reviews. Criticism is =
essential to=20
art, but<BR>the context of the criticism is also important for the art =
to=20
flourish. I'm<BR>not convinced that the opinion of the general =
subscriber=20
to this list can be<BR>defined as constructive criticism.<BR><BR>As to =
the "free=20
speech" issue. If one is passionately interested in having<BR>her =
opinion=20
made public, it is quite easy these days to create one's own<BR>public =
forum=20
with a web-page.<BR><BR>Thanks for asking....<BR><BR>Becca Fishel=20
Bright<BR>rfishel at siu.edu<BR><SPAN =
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
--------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR><BR>NO.<BR><BR>My=20
opinion is that you're very generous and kind to have organized this =
mailing=20
list and YOU DO NOT NEED ANY ADDITIONAL GRIEF from those who disagree =
with=20
someone else's opinion that has shown up on the list. This list is =
NOT a=20
chat room. If it was, I wouldn't be a member of it. Frankly, =
I don't=20
read most of what comes thru on the list UNLESS I AM SPECIFICALLY =
INTERESTED=20
based on the subject matter. I don't have time to read everything =
and I=20
will continue to do so whether reviews/peoples' opinions are on the list =
or=20
not. If people are disturbed by others' opinions, they should not =
read=20
them. Just because it's there doesn't mean you have to give it =
your=20
attention. Therefore, my NO response to your question is based on =
the fact=20
that you, as list moderator, need not have the added burden of =
supervising=20
children playing during recess. It gets=20
messy.<BR><BR>Ksenia<BR>ksenia at clvhts.com<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
--------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR>YES-I=20
agree that all reviews and opinions should be expressed. Tell the =
complainers to=20
go get a life! Don't they know how to hit the delete button if they =
don't want=20
to read something. It's your website!<BR>nonosgrammy at msn.com<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
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---------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR>no,=20
reviews & personal opinions should not be part of neohiopal. =
the link=20
thing is okay (the way you do it, i.e. for reviews go=20
to....etc.)<BR>thanks<BR>Anonymous<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
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------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR>Yes,=20
everyone is entitled to their opinion - you have the choice not to =
read<BR>them=20
if you don't care to. Let them submit the reviews for those who=20
would<BR>like to hear other opinions. (Thanks for=20
asking!)<BR>cherie_dillon at hotmail.com<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
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-------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR>YES=20
- Keep all reviews and opinions in. I enjoy reading differing=20
opinions.<BR> It gives the reader an unbiased review of the =
show(s) in=20
question. I have<BR>read so many great reviews about shows that =
were not=20
worth the time or<BR>money, so if at least one other person offers =
another=20
perspective it would<BR>be appreciated. I know the atmosphere is=20
"supportive" but there are so many<BR>great shows that never get =
coverage - and=20
if all we read are good reviews of<BR>bad shows, it makes the =
unrecognized casts=20
feel worse. I would like to see<BR>more reviews =
altogether.<BR><BR>Thank=20
You,<BR><BR>Larry Braun - broadway-bound at msn.com<BR><BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
----------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR><BR>I=20
would continue to send what you have been sending<BR>for personal =
opinions,=20
maybe that literally could be put in the heading so someone can delete =
it if=20
they don't want to read it, I don't feel that personal opinions need to =
be sent=20
but if it is in the heading then I can delete it<BR>but any type of =
reviewer or=20
consistent reviewer should be sent with detail in the heading so people =
have the=20
choice of reading it or not<BR>but folks have always had the option of =
deleting=20
what they don't want to read<BR>it would be the same if someone read a =
review or=20
article in a newspaper, if the author offended you, then you just =
wouldn't read=20
his review or column again<BR>and yes, it is free speech<BR>sincere in=20
support<BR>Anonymous<BR><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
--------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR><BR>Because=20
I was at work when I responded, I didn't take the time to address =
another=20
matter, but I'd like to now. Clearly, myself and several other =
people felt=20
strongly enough about this issue to contact you, and I really didn't =
appreciate=20
that we were mocked in Jeff Holland's review for "Saturday Night." =
I'm=20
specifically speaking of his comment "That ought to be good for another =
couple=20
of angry letters." (Mine, for one, certainly wasn't =
"angry.")<BR><BR>I'm=20
sorry to see you allowing the list to be used in this way, and that's =
why I=20
think that limiting "reviews" and other personal opinions, and focusing =
on the=20
dissemination of valuable arts information (which I believe has always =
been your=20
intention), would be the best solution here.<BR>Anonymous<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
-------------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR>I=20
think FREEDOM OF SPEECH should be exercised on "THE LIST" and to prove =
it so...I=20
have met over 35 people thanks to a listing I put on re: JOINING SAG and =
putting=20
in my 5 cents in re: SCAM AGENCIES!<BR>In no way were those email =
"OPINION"=20
based and in fact, they were pasted from SAG.com and a letter sent to me =
by my=20
attorney.<BR>Another writer, Bobby, posted FACTS re: agencies in his =
email that=20
helped EVEN ME understand the EIC code of ethics rules re: agent=20
operations.<BR>I think what is happening is that the guilty parties are =
feeling=20
a little uncomfortable with the TRUTH.<BR>I am all for "POSITIVE" =
listing or=20
information that PRODUCES positive results. Thanks to my listings, I =
have helped=20
over 35 people understand SAG better and now they actually visit my site =
to=20
share positive information with me.<BR>Thank you.<BR>Mitch=20
Berlingeri<BR>NOW-U-KNOW at rocketmail.com<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
--------------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR>Isn't=20
allowing only positive reviews a little one sided?...even if they are =
used by=20
each organization to promote their show. Art is, by it's =
nature,=20
controversial; and as an Arts forum, this list has the obligation to air =
both=20
sides. We, as artists, are aware that each review is only one =
person's=20
OPINION...whether it is good or bad. Personally, "dueling reviews" =
always=20
make me more curious to see the production. <BR>I say, let =
'em all=20
in! Not every show is a winner...if we don't experience some not =
so good=20
shows, how will we recognize the truly wonderful ones?<BR>Lenne =
Snively</P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
---------------------</SPAN><BR>My=20
vote is to keep reviews and personal opinions; I don't mind a bit and =
read the=20
"Ike & Mike" column, especially if I've seen the show. Thanks, =
Fred!<BR>Pamela Sago<BR>Pamela.Sago at penske.com<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
-----------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR>Interesting=20
that you ask the question since I was wondering about that myself. I =
noticed the=20
list gets a little out of hand. My initial thought was not to publish, =
but if=20
you're going to publish the positive reviews, then all the rest should =
be=20
allowed as well. That's part of theater. People upset with them should =
realize=20
that. By performing you put yourself out there and have to realize some =
people=20
may not like what they see. What I find particularly annoying is posts =
or=20
comments that mention other reviews as if the person was incorrect in =
their=20
opinion. It's an opinion. Anyway, I guess I'd let them run. What you may =
want to=20
do, to cut down on the clutter, is put a limit on the number of posts =
about a=20
particular show or topic. It seems some folks put announcements up when =
someone=20
sneezes and it just seems a bit much. The current topic fits with this =
since one=20
of the theaters involved always seems to post opening announcements, =
midrun=20
announcements, closing announcements, reviews, letters in response to =
reviews,=20
yada, yada, yada. Good people, good shows, but the clutter is a bit much =
and=20
obscures messages from others. Anyway, that's just my opinion. And like =
a=20
review, you can agree or disagree but I thank you for letting me put it =
out=20
there.<BR>Anonymous<BR><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
--------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR>I=20
think you should send out whatever is in the best interest of theater=20
in<BR>Cleveland....<BR><BR>And tell the people who complain about the =
reviews to=20
learn how to scroll<BR>past them. :)<BR>Anonymous</P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
---------</SPAN><BR>It=20
seems to me that, since this is a free service you offer, and not a =
"club" or=20
organization that requires membership or the payment of dues, you should =
be free=20
to send out anything you want, within the guidelines of keeping people =
posted=20
about events, etc. in the world of the arts. If people don't like what =
you're=20
sending them, they are free to stop getting the e-mails at any time. I =
also feel=20
that people in the arts who can't accept criticism, whether constructive =
or not,=20
are in the wrong business.<BR>Lori<BR>lfeeney at neo.rr.com<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
----------------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR><BR>I=20
believe that criticism, either good or bad, is part of the business-and=20
therefore appropriate material for a theater-business mailing. The =
Indiwire=20
(Independent film email list) includes reviews of films, why should you =
exclude=20
it. Especially since your emails are always titled, if someone chooses, =
they do=20
not need to read a review.<BR>Thanks for asking,<BR>Joe=20
Ruffner<BR>ruffnerj at worldnet.att.net<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
--------------------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR>I=20
was in the cast of "The Hairy Ape" at CPT. While we got mostly =
great=20
reviews from The Plain Dealer and The Free Times, Roy Berko had some =
things to=20
say that, though largely negative, were helpful and thought provoking =
for me to=20
read. As artists, we put ourselves out there knowing that we will =
at one=20
time or another be subject to some form of critical analysis. I =
think it=20
is refreshing to get this sort of feedback from colleagues (after all, =
who=20
better to assess our work?), rather than some pretentious newspaper=20
critic. You are right. This list is intended to be a means =
of=20
collective support. It is for that reason that you should consider =
continuing to mail reviews. I say this because true constructive =
criticism=20
is intended to help us grow, and if we are all REALLY here to support =
each=20
other, that should be a primary goal. An idea for you might be to=20
designate/allow as many as 2-6 "critics". The varying viewpoints =
could be=20
very interesting. I enjoy Roy Berko's cut and dry critiques =
equally as=20
much as I enjoy Jeff Holland's light-hearted dialogues. I may be =
just=20
another idealist, but I really do think people are being too =
touchy. I=20
think that we can only benefit from seeing the world from many different =
angles.<BR>Sincerely,<BR>Megan Elk<BR>megzasinga at yahoo.com<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
---------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR>Although=20
I see several of those reviews listed in the Plain Dealer or elsewhere, =
having=20
them listed helps those who don't subscribe to the papers. I =
suppose I=20
would vote "yes" because I've enjoyed the contradictory viewpoints from =
those=20
read in the newspapers and WHY they found the production positive, =
etc. If=20
I'm not interested, a simple push of the delete button isn't much =
work!<BR>Thank=20
you for this wonderful service and the time you devote to=20
it.<BR>Anonymous<BR><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
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------------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR>yes. =20
As a non performer (but a performer's parent) I have found myself =
attending more=20
shows because of the legitimate reviews. This list has made me =
realize=20
what a live theater environment we are in.<BR>Maybe if you have people =
who=20
submit reviews, put in the Subject: REVIEW: title, etc. that way =
you know=20
it is just that.<BR><BR>Thank you!!! Shirley=20
O'Connor<BR>Swoconnor at aol.com<BR><SPAN =
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
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It is, and should be, an open forum. The free exchange of ideas is what =
its=20
about. Keep up the good work.<BR>Noah Budin<BR>Nbudin at aol.com<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
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----------------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR>It's=20
too bad that you are getting the angry letters. It's a shame that some =
people=20
don't have a sense of humor. The 'Ike and Mike' reviews are really not =
meant to=20
be reviews - they are just humorous banter about a show they have=20
seen.<BR><BR>My vote is 'yes'. I say don't censor - freedom of speech =
should=20
prevail.<BR><BR>Thanks for heading up this e-mail list. I've found it to =
be very=20
valuable. I'm sure it can be somewhat time consuming on your part. I =
applaud=20
your efforts!<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Theresa =
Benyo<BR>theresab at bright.net<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
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FREEDOM RING!<BR><BR>If people don't want to read them then don't read=20
them!<BR><BR>I don't like half the reviews I read or at least don't =
agree with=20
them but it is the job of the reviewer to do just that review...for =
better or=20
worse. We all know that 2 people can see the same show and come =
out with=20
two incredibly different opinions! It happened twice within the =
past=20
month, see "The Interview" and "Virginia Wolf" vis a vi Tony Brown and =
Roy=20
Berko.<BR><BR>However it is not your job to censor. I complain =
about=20
reviewers and reviews as much as anyone but in this case I believe the =
open=20
forum serves a greater purpose.<BR><BR>Keep them =
in<BR>Anonymous<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
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think you should absolutely include reviews in your emails. you=20
clearly<BR>state in the subject line that it is in fact a review. =
if there=20
a person or<BR>persons who do not like to read the reviews, they can =
delete or=20
bypass the<BR>mail without ever opening it.<BR><BR>further, we are =
actors,=20
actresses, singers, dancers, designers, etc. it is<BR>our job, the =
job we=20
have chosen to do to perform and display our craft for<BR>an =
audience. it=20
is the nature of the business to put ourselves in a<BR>situation for =
spectator=20
feedback. if people can't handle the negative<BR>criticisms along =
with the=20
positive, perhaps the should choose a different<BR>field to work=20
in.<BR><BR>thank you for the opportunity to share my=20
thoughts.<BR><BR>sincerely,<BR><BR>jenna=20
messina<BR>jennmess74 at hotmail.com<BR><SPAN =
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face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
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-----------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR>Yes,=20
by all means include reviews, I don't particularly find Ike and Mike =
humorous,=20
or to my liking, but you know what? I can delete it!<BR>Judy=20
MacKeigan<BR>cen07756 at centurytel.net<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
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-------------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR><BR>I've=20
been a working actor in NYC for the past 7 years(Originally from NW =
Ohio) and I=20
truly enjoy all the emails I receive regarding what's going on in the =
theatre=20
world in Cleveland and Canton, etc...<BR>I happened to read the "Mike =
& Ike"=20
review of Carousel Dinner Theatre's "Phantom" and was quite =
amused. I=20
believe, as artists, if we cannot laugh at ourselves and our craft that =
we take=20
oh so seriously 99% of the time...then where are we?<BR>There are plenty =
of=20
folks out there that see plays and musicals alike, like "Phantom", and =
respond=20
similarly to the way the "Ike and Mike" script responded. I think =
everyone=20
has the right to express their opinion even if it is an unfavorable one =
in the=20
industry. It's still the truth to a group of people. (however =
large or=20
small.)<BR>Most people didn't like the NY Times review of Frank =
Wildhorne's=20
"Cival War"...but the truth of the matter is it was an enormous piece of =
commercial crap that made very little sense. I say...let's call a =
spade a=20
spade. Even if my spade may be different than someone=20
else's.<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Joe from NYC<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
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---------------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR>YES!<BR><BR>This=
=20
is a great list service and recently, I have been<BR>even M O R E =
impressed with=20
the valuable information<BR>listed regarding agencies and the scams that =
they=20
may<BR>or may not portray.<BR><BR>Let me also tell you this: I have been =
acting=20
on stage<BR>for quite some time. Maybe it's just pure laziness,<BR>but I =
have=20
never taken the time to fully understand<BR>the rules of =
SAG.<BR><BR>Well, a=20
listing from a member made things much clearer<BR>for me. So much in =
fact, that=20
I did some research and<BR>they were right on!<BR><BR>So I thank them, =
as well=20
as you. Why? For allowing<BR>such postings, freedom of speech and most=20
importantly:<BR>a really terrific service to the acting =
community!<BR><BR>Carmen=20
Marrero<BR>coca2137 at yahoo.com<BR><SPAN =
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
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---------------------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR>This=20
is in response to the question regarding reviews and opinions =
being<BR>posted on=20
the NEohioPAL Lists. I am a strong advocate for freedom =
of<BR>speech, and=20
yet I can also see how some would rather not see them. In =
the<BR>theatres=20
I have worked in thus far, directors and producers request to =
their<BR>cast that=20
discussion of reviews not take place in the theatre, as not =
to<BR>disrupt or=20
offend any company member who does not care to see them. =
They<BR>also tell=20
the cast where the reviews will be posted, for those who wish to<BR>read =
them. I believe that the NEohioPAL list is set up the same =
way. =20
The<BR>list of topics that precludes the actual information has been =
invaluable=20
to<BR>me. For those people who do not want to read those pieces =
that are=20
reviews<BR>or opinions of shows, I would suggest to them that they note =
where=20
they are<BR>in the group. Then simply bypass them, or depending on =
your=20
e-mail setup,<BR>don't open them. If anyone has a problem still, =
perhaps=20
they should be<BR>reminded that NEohioPAL is a free listing, and it's =
very rude=20
to bitch and<BR>moan about a free service. On that note, I would =
like to=20
thank Fred<BR>Sternfeld for this service, and the time he has spent in =
keeping=20
it<BR>together. In the three years I have been in Cleveland, the =
NEohioPAL=20
list<BR>has helped to integrate me into Cleveland Theatre and to make=20
friendships<BR>that I will cherish forever. Thank you,=20
Fred.<BR><BR>Sincerely Yours,<BR>Sabrina Gibbar<BR>Producer, Dobama's =
Night=20
Kitchen<BR><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT =
face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
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say yes.<BR><BR>However, w/ regards to personal opinion "reviews," =
perhaps you=20
should set up a rule that the personal opinion has to be written like a =
review=20
or a letter to the editor, and people must be able to command the =
English=20
language i.e. be well written (sorry, I'm really punchy this=20
morning...)<BR><BR>I'm sorry these angry opinions are wearing you=20
out...<BR><BR>I appreciate your willingness to continue posting positive =
reviews=20
as pr. It really does help, especially the smaller budget=20
theatres.<BR><BR>I hope you are well, and Fred, I continue to support =
what you=20
are doing w/ this list.<BR>Anonymous<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
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----------------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR><BR><BR>Just=20
thought I'd throw my two cents in on this topic.<BR>First, I'm sure you =
know you=20
can never make everyone<BR>happy. Let me suggest a =
compromise.<BR><BR>If=20
there are folks who want to make reviews available<BR>to the list =
members,=20
perhaps they could post them to<BR>an independent web page and provide =
that link=20
to the<BR>list. It would mean a bit more work for the =
reviewer<BR>but=20
all-text web pages are not too difficult or time<BR>consuming. In =
that=20
way, those of us who enjoy the<BR>reviews (like me) can go read them and =
the=20
others will<BR>not be "bothered".<BR><BR>Second and finally, thanks for =
the=20
list. I live in<BR>Canton, so many of the gig notices are a bit =
out of=20
my<BR>way, but it is good to be kept up to date on the state<BR>of the =
arts in=20
all of NE Ohio instead of just my tiny<BR>corner of it. Keep up =
the good=20
work and don't let the<BR>bastards get you down.<BR><BR>Deb =
Salberg<BR><SPAN=20
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- For your sake, Fred, the simpler the better. I, too, believe in =
freedom=20
of speech and opinion. However, sometimes you can get too many =
chiefs in=20
the tent. If the list is kept to a non-biased display of audition =
info,=20
classes, and shows, no<SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002> </SPAN>one can =
be offended=20
or complain to you. You put a ton of hard work into this list, and =
it=20
shows. I am a novice actress trying to get some experience in this =
line of=20
work. If it weren't for your list, I can honestly say I'm not sure =
I would=20
have been able to learn so much about the acting community and its =
auditions in=20
Cleveland. Keep up the great work!<BR>Sincerely,<BR>Amy =
Annico<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
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------------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR><BR>I=20
sure don't want to make more work for you, but I do not like =
reviews<BR>and=20
personal opinions on neopal. Everyone thinks their own (or=20
their<BR>friends') show is the greatest. A link to a review allows =
the=20
reader<BR>decide if he wants to find out someone else's =
opinion.<BR><BR>Joe=20
Kerata<BR>asegra at bbs2.rmrc.net<BR><SPAN =
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face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
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--------------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR><BR>How=20
awful for you that you do this wonderful e-mail list and not be =
shown<BR>the=20
gratitude what you are doing deserves! It is such a wonderful=20
marketing<BR>tool: quick, easy, and free, and reaches so many =
people. =20
Anyway, here's<BR>what I think since you asked for our votes. If =
I'm not=20
interested in the<BR>show, I don't read the review. Professional =
reviews=20
such as Roy Berko's are<BR>published and circulated anyway, so I don't =
see a=20
problem with those such<BR>reviews being distributed on this list. =
I enjoy=20
reading the Mike & Ike<BR>reviews because they are funny. I =
think it=20
is questionable whether<BR>non-professional reviews should be =
distributed -=20
although they are usually<BR>positive, which is great for the theatre to =
which=20
they refer, we don't know<BR>anything about the people sending the =
message, so=20
we don't really know if we<BR>can trust their opinions or not. I =
think=20
what you have been doing in the<BR>past is fine. That is my =
vote. =20
Thanks again for doing this list - it is<BR>great!<BR>Anonymous<BR><SPAN =
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----------------------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR><BR>Great=
=20
question. I would vote "NO." You said to me just last week =
how much=20
the subscriber list has grown. The list of postings has obviously =
grown,=20
too. The reviews and opinions clutter up the list that much=20
more.<BR><BR>To be honest, I am less likely to spend time reading ANY =
postings=20
when I have 15 or more on a given day. I just start =
deleting. I=20
would love to see the list reduced to audition and performance notices=20
only.<BR><BR>I mentioned I thought that the postings should be left to =
auditions=20
and performances only. Let me expand upon that a bit to say that I =
think=20
there are definitely some exceptions, a good example being the notice =
you put in=20
for a dedication to Steve Sterlekar. News postings that affect the =
theatre=20
community as a whole I feel are appropriate and could be left to your =
discretion=20
as moderator.<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Patrick Jansen<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:Pjanson02 at aol.com">Pjanson02 at aol.com</A></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
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I would agree that you have a bit of a problem here. All I know =
is<BR>that=20
your newsletter is terrific, a great asset to the =
theatre<BR>community...and it=20
has changed over the last month or two because people<BR>are =
what?...using it=20
for the wrong reasons? and/or using it like email, to<BR>begin a =
dialogue.=20
Clutter, I guess. The reviews don't bother me because at<BR>least =
they=20
shed light on where and when shows are happening. The =
personal<BR>notices=20
are irritating. The length of some notices is irritating. they =
go<BR>on=20
forever just pumping their action. But I don't know how you =
would<BR>control all=20
of this and I'm not sure you should try. It is your deal so I<BR>suppose =
you=20
could try to make any kind of restrictions that you wish. =
In<BR>fact,=20
here's an idea...go back into your mind when you began =
this<BR>idea. What=20
were your initial dreams and ambitions for the site? Is it<BR>becoming =
something=20
you don't like? Answer those questions and act upon them<BR>as you see =
fit. If I=20
had to vote I guess I would vote "No" reviews and<BR>personal stuff =
doesn't=20
bother me (even though the personal stuff<BR>does.) Take care. =
Congrats on=20
Saturday Night.<BR><BR>William F. Hoffman<BR>Director of =
Education<BR>The=20
Cleveland Play House<BR>Phone:(216) 795-7000, ext. 251<BR><A=20
href=3D"http:\\www.clevelandplayhouse.com"=20
target=3D_blank>http:\\www.clevelandplayhouse.com</A><BR>bhoffman at clevela=
ndplayhouse.com<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
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>Yes,=20
keep the reviews. As you said, this list is a supportive =
environment for=20
the acting community, and reviews of any kind provide publicity for the =
shows=20
they concern. And as we all know, there is really no such thing as =
bad=20
publicity. Also, I feel that the sharing of personal opinions is =
more than=20
appropriate for the list. Thank you for putting it to a=20
vote.<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR>Jamie =
Hoffman<BR>JLH112816 at hotmail.com<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2>-<SPAN=20
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BR>I=20
would say, Fred, that whether or not reviews<BR>are appropriate depends =
on what=20
you would define as being<BR>the purpose of the list. If it's a =
discussion=20
list, then reviews<BR>are fine. If it's a general theatre interest =
list,=20
then reviews are<BR>fine.<BR>If it's a sort of billboard for theatre =
productions=20
and theatre<BR>related products and services, which is how it's =
used most=20
of the<BR>time, then reviews are not within the scope of that. =
I<BR>don't=20
care if reviews are included, as long as they are not =
negative<BR>towards a show=20
I'm involved with -- I can provoke enough negative<BR>feedback on my=20
own.<BR><BR>Mike Sepesy<BR><A href=3D"http://m.d.sep.home.att.net/"=20
target=3D_blank>http://m.d.sep.home.att.net/</A><BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
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ONT><BR><BR>I've=20
got to tell you that I am in favor of continuing your practice of =
allowing=20
reviews (any kind) to be sent on the list. People should be =
entitled to=20
their opinions. I feel that if you don't care for what the person =
is=20
saying...then don't read it. That's what the "delete button" is =
for. =20
:)<BR><BR>Jack Herman, Founder-President<BR>Tree City=20
Players<BR>JHerman312 at aol.com<BR><SPAN =
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face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>-<SPAN=20
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FONT><BR><BR>I=20
enjoy reading them all. People have the all-American right =
to<BR>exercise=20
the delete key.<BR><BR>On the other hand, Fred, it's your list. If =
the=20
headaches outweigh<BR>the benefits for you, let somebody else start the=20
"NEOPerforming Arts<BR>Reviews, Opinions, Kvetches, and Random =
Noodlings"=20
list. You're doing<BR>a boatload of work to keep this afloat, so =
in my=20
opinion, it's not even about<BR>how people "vote". Do what you=20
like.<BR><BR>- Linda Eisenstein, herone at en.com, =
www.lindaeisenstein.com<BR><SPAN=20
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size=3D2>-<SPAN=20
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OLUTELY=20
YES !!<BR><BR>If people don't like it, they can delete it. =
That is=20
why the<BR>computer Gods put that little key that says "del" on =
it<BR>right on=20
the right hand side of your keyboard. It comes<BR>in very=20
handy......P.S. Sorry to hear this issue is causing<BR>you=20
agita....it should be a no-brainer.<BR>Anonymous<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2>-<SPAN=20
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R>I=20
think as the keeper of the service, you should decide. Though I<BR>also =
believe=20
one can decide not to read reviews or opinions if they<BR>bother them. =
And=20
really what's wrong with extending the scope of<BR>anything. =20
Grow.<BR><BR>YES<BR><BR>Eric Johnson<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2>-<SPAN=20
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am sending a definitive YES answer to your =
question.<BR><BR> =20
Artists (of any medium), being that our work is of a subjective nature, =
leave=20
themselves open to the subjective interpretations and opinions of anyone =
else=20
participating in our craft. That includes viewers, sellers, =
buyers, fellow=20
artists, critics, and the general public - in short, anyone. All =
artists=20
know the pain of criticism against what they hold dear, and dedicate =
themselves=20
to achieving. We spend our entire lives searching for our own =
truth, and=20
find bits along the way that we try to share with others, only to be =
laughed at,=20
rejected, scoffed at, dismissed, etc., etc., etc. IT GOES WITH THE =
TERRITORY. If you can't handle that, then art (in any form) is not =
for=20
you.<BR> Freedom of speech is disappearing everywhere =
today -=20
the "mob" of public opinion influences everything to such a degree that =
even in=20
the arts, decisions are geared towards what is "palatable" and =
"sellable" for=20
the masses. Like when theaters do shows that have little artistic =
merit,=20
but have huge box office grosses (do the two go hand in hand?). =
And I'm=20
not just talking about the *movie* theaters.<BR> =
Although I=20
have not contributed much to this forum (not having played =
organizational roles=20
in the theater yet), I have to say that if this forum is turned into a=20
"touchy-feely" version of its former self that is toned down to pacify =
those who=20
have neither the stomach or courage to pursue their artistic =
inclinations, then=20
I'm not sure I will still subscribe.<BR> Having said =
all that,=20
I *do* appreciate the time and work that is put into this list, helping =
those of=20
us in the area that want to pursue theater. It is a huge=20
help.<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR>Craig=20
Thompson<BR>pigsinsteadofwriters at hotmail.com<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2>-<SPAN=20
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think there is far to much credence given to reviews and local =
reviewers, they=20
certainly don't make or break a run of a community show or end careers, =
and=20
after the run they are quickly forgotten,,I was told long ago if you =
start=20
believing your notices good or bad, you're doing theater for the =
wrong=20
reasons...I say a big no.....<BR>Martine =
Cespedes<BR>StMartine at aol.com<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2>-<SPAN=20
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--------------------------------------</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><BR>Maybe =
people have forgotten that you maintain this massive list free of charge =
to us,=20
and that angry letters are not a kind way to treat someone who is giving =
us a=20
gift for free. "yes" - personal reviews and opinions of each =
other's work=20
should be allowed on a list of this type, with at least two ground rules =
in=20
place:<BR>1) All reviews should be written in a spirit of camaraderie =
and=20
constructive comments. Several of the reviews posted have =
motivated me to=20
see the shows, if for no other reason than to compare reactions.<BR>2) =
All angry=20
letters should be directed towards the person responsible for the =
objectionable=20
material. If someone disagrees with Jeff or Roy's opinions, they =
should=20
have the guts to duke it out with Jeff or Roy. You don't deserve =
to be=20
dragged into it. To make you play "mommy" because someone got their =
feelings=20
hurt is unfair to you and an act of cowardice on their part.<BR>Thanks =
for the=20
service!! It is greatly appreciated!!!<BR> JT=20
Buck<BR>darnay2 at hotmail.com<BR><SPAN =
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face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>-<SPAN=20
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like the words 'review' or 'personal opinion' or some other =
obvious=20
marker in the subject - that way if I'm not interested I can just =
delete=20
and not read.<BR><BR>As usual, thank you for all you do,<BR>~ Rachel=20
Madorsky<BR>Rmadorsky at aol.com<BR><SPAN =
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face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>-<SPAN=20
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<BR>OF=20
COURSE keep the reviews going. YES, YEs, Yes!.<BR><BR>Free speech =
aside,=20
it is good to hear another opinion. People who are<BR>unwilling to =
hear a,=20
perhaps, differing opinion wear the proverbial blinders<BR>and can only =
see from=20
their point of view. These are also the kind of<BR>people that =
espouse,=20
"Don't confuse me with facts, my mind is already made<BR>up." =
There is no=20
growth for these people. While I usually disagree with<BR>reviews, =
I will=20
always -- ALWAYS -- want to read them.<BR><BR>Ron=20
Spinelli<BR>spinellivideo at hotmail.com<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
----------------------------------------------</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><B=
R>YES. =20
As long as the person sending it in identifies themselves. Debate =
and=20
criticism are essential parts of the arts. Anyone who can't handle =
a=20
negative review (wherever it happens to be) probably should get out of=20
theatre. and of course, no one has to read a review if they don't =
want=20
to. I personally usually delete them. but if some want to =
post them=20
and others read them, they should be allowed. Alex J Nine. =
<A=20
href=3D"mailto:CatbyteAJ9 at aol.com">CatbyteAJ9 at aol.com</A></P>
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class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
----------------------------------------------------</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P>Hi, Fred - I vote NO....<BR><BR>...mostly because I always breeze =
right past=20
the Mike and Ike stuff <BR>impatiently and just scan the reviews for =
familiar=20
names. I think these <BR>things are definitely post-worthy, but perhaps =
a=20
separate list is the <BR>solution.<BR><BR>I also think that it will be=20
impossible to set any kind of guideline as to <BR>what would be accepted =
for=20
posting, once the forum is opened wide to reviews <BR>and personal =
opinions. The=20
selection/editing process is no longer arbitrary <BR>and it's a can of =
worms=20
that will land directly in your lap, I'm afraid. You've done a marvelous =
job=20
<BR>administering this list, but I don't think this will make your job =
easier in=20
<BR>ANY way. It's a headache you just don't need or deserve.<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>A<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>nonymous</SPAN><BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
------------------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><BR><BR>We=20
should not be so frail, that a negative review not be posted. BUT =20
certainly<SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002> </SPAN>we should take care to =
insure=20
the negativity isn't being spread by persons not directly =
affected. (Some=20
may be happy for another theatre/performers poor review.)<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002> </SPAN><FONT lang=3D0 =
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" BACK=3D"#ffffff" PTSIZE=3D"10">Perhaps we =
should find=20
message boards for these kinds of things..Or a chat room with =
designated=20
times for people in the arts to opening discuss our "issues"(greater=20
Cleveland),whatever they may be.<BR>The general advertisements are OK =
and easy=20
to delete<SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002>. </SPAN>I would like to take =
this =20
time to thank you for pulling this information together for the =
theater=20
community...:-)</FONT></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>A<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>nonymous</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
-------------------------</SPAN><BR><BR>My=20
opinion is that they should not be included in the everyday content of =
the=20
list. Some of them are silly and take time from information =
theater people=20
need and want. However, for those who want to read them perhaps =
there can=20
be an e-mail address or some way they can be accessed. That way =
the=20
integrity of the main list is kept intact but people can take a "detour" =
to read=20
the various opinions and reviews.</P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>A<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>nonymous</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
-------</SPAN><BR>If=20
we as artists are not strong enough to face or deal with a valid opinion =
from=20
another artist, or open ourselves to another viewpoint differing from =
our own,=20
how could we possibly truly call ourselves artists? This =
difference of=20
opinion and melting pot of thoughts and views is what all of art is =
based=20
upon. If we cannot accept a view that does not hold true with our =
own, no=20
matter how much we may personally fear it, then perhaps we are in the =
wrong=20
field.<BR><BR>-Brian Bowers</P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
--------</SPAN><BR>I=20
think that those people who don't like the reviews - don't have to read=20
them. It is very informative and interesting to me to read reviews =
and=20
opinions that I don't have time to look up for myself - a negative =
comment, or=20
constructive criticism, is not necessarily unsupportive. We get =
this Email=20
so that we can stay informed with what it going on, and if there is =
something=20
negative to be said, that keeps us informed too. I frankly wish =
that there=20
were more reviews.<BR><BR>I am really amazed that people find the time =
to send=20
angry Emails - if they don't like it, delete it and go do something =
else. </P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>A<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>nonymous</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
--------</SPAN><BR>First,=20
I would like to say thank you for tending to this list serve, it <BR>is =
rather=20
impressive. I am new to the list serve (Chuck Fink and Noah <BR>Budin =
told me=20
about it). I graduated from KSU with a BA in theatre some <BR>time ago, =
and have=20
been working full time in the corporate world - but I <BR>am hoping to =
become=20
more involved in theatre.<BR><BR>Anyway - my vote is YES - I'm a "card =
carrying=20
member" of the ACLU. I <BR>believe that freedom of speech and personal=20
expression is the paramount <BR>right in a free and democratic society. =
This is=20
a freedom that is <BR>precarious indeed, and the arts have always been=20
threatened by it <BR>(Maplethorpe for example) and as a "torch bearer" =
of sorts,=20
I owe it to <BR>those around me to hear them out - even if I am =
adamantly=20
opposed to <BR>what they are saying.<BR><BR>Those are my two cents. =
Again,=20
thanks so much for being the "keeper of <BR>the list" as it=20
were!<BR><BR>Anastasia Birosh<BR>Cleveland Heights</P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
--------</SPAN><BR>I=20
vote to exclude from the list those that fall into the category of =
<BR>personal=20
opinion and continuing with those that are professional reviews, =
<BR>published=20
or republished. There are public forums out there for those who =
<BR>wish=20
to express their personal opinions.<BR><BR>Hang in there... this online=20
controversy will at some point pass... leaving you ready for the next =
one!=20
Your work is appreciated by this subscriber.<BR><BR>All the =
Best,<BR>Steve=20
FitzGerald<BR>Lakewood Buzz founder<BR>Email: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:steve at lakewoodbuzz.com">steve at lakewoodbuzz.com</A></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
----------</SPAN><BR>absolutely=20
- yes. reviews are an integral part of our business -positive or=20
negative. Anyone who wants all theater news to be positive is in =
the wrong=20
business.=20
<BR> &nb=
sp; &nbs=
p;  =
; =
&=
nbsp; =20
f. mularo</P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
----------</SPAN><BR>yes,<BR>reviews=20
and other comments should be allowed to be<BR>posted on this list,<BR>in =
a=20
business such as this, we are constantly<BR>subjected to criticism of =
all kinds,=20
whether it be a<BR>professional review or a parody all in fun.<BR>actors =
need to=20
learn to laugh at their own<BR>performance, if they cant, are they not =
enjoying=20
their<BR>own profession?</P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>A<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>nonymous</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
-----------</SPAN><BR><BR>I=20
vote yes. You've got to take the good with the bad. In this =
business=20
we stick our collective necks out (a lot), so you've got to expect that =
heads=20
will roll once in a while. We can take it. We're a strong=20
bunch.<BR>Janet Shank<BR>Fine Arts Association Theatre Dept. Chair</P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><A =
href=3D"mailto:JanLeap at aol.com">J<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>anLeap at aol.com</A></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
-----------</SPAN><BR>I=20
agree that personal opinions are a waste of<BR>space and a irritation on =
this=20
format. That's what<BR>chat rooms are for. I did appreciate the=20
information<BR>from aftra about bogus agencies, though. I also do =
not<BR>like=20
the posting of reviews. There are so many shows,<BR>and so much to look =
at, it's=20
just a little overkill.<BR>If one is interested in reviews, one can read =
the<BR>paper.<BR><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>A<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>nonymous</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
-------------</SPAN><BR>Overall,=20
yes, I appreciate personal reviews. I don't feel professional =
reviews have=20
the end-all opinion. I always ask friends for an opinion of=20
something they have seen. But I do feel the reviews on your service =
should=20
contain the subject line: Personal Review: (Insert name of show), so we =
know in=20
advance what it is. <BR><BR>On the other hand, my e-mail is becoming =
very=20
clogged. I find I'm deleting more and more NEohioPAL e-mails =
without=20
opening them.When I write e-mail announcements to be sent, I appreciate =
the huge=20
audience that subscribes to your service. But, as the recipient, I =
often=20
feel overwhelmed by the volume of e-mails.<BR><BR>I would prefer you =
limit the=20
service in other ways. Rather than omitting personal reviews, I'd =
rather=20
you omit, for example, high school shows, non-theatre musical events and =
other=20
things that aren't purely theatre. <BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>A<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>nonymous</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
------------</SPAN><BR>My=20
belief is that the PAL listing is a service designed to provide relevant =
information to the community interested in the arts. It should serve as =
a=20
central address to enable those on the list to easily retrieve =
information they=20
deem relevant.<BR>As long as the "Subject" information is clear, I see =
no reason=20
why submisssions should be edited. This includes the juxtaposition of =
reviews by=20
theatres, as well as individual responses to publicly generated reviews =
and=20
comments by editorial writers in the local papers.<BR>Tact and good =
sense would=20
seem to be the measures by which PAL subscribers may determine whether =
they=20
choose to read, or delete, submissions that are=20
posted.<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Jeff Grover</P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
--------------</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002>YES.<BR><BR>I fully support the =
posting and/or=20
exchange of opinions within the framework <BR>of the NEohioPAL service =
and=20
appreciate the opportunity to see reviews and <BR>opinions whether I =
agree with=20
them or not (& I certainly have had ample <BR>opportunity to be on =
both=20
'sides').<BR><BR>Free speech is a treasured freedom and I believe we =
should all=20
be supportive <BR>of it while realizing that reviews and opinions are =
"just=20
that" and should <BR>cut you a little slack in serving as the=20
conduit...<BR>Thanks very much.<BR><BR>All the best,<BR>Jim=20
McCormack<BR></SPAN><A class=3Daolmailheader =
title=3Dmailto:mccormackjim at hotmail.com=20
href=3D"mailto:mccormackjim at hotmail.com">mccormackjim at hotmail.com</A></P>=
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
----------------------------------------------</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR>As=
=20
much as I dislike negativity concerning community theater, the issue of =
freedom=20
of speech is of more concern. Unfortunately if you do not pass stuff =
like that=20
along, you could be open to a lawsuit or would have to shut the service=20
off. <BR><BR>I usually delete anything that I do not like anyway =
which the=20
other readers can do. If you get unfavorable mail, you should =
return it to=20
the sender to advise to complain ti the source.<BR><BR>I do suggest that =
if=20
there was something that you or your staff saw was objectionable and you =
felt=20
that something need to be addressed, you still have the option of=20
returning it to the author for reread it and give him the opportunity to =
revise=20
or withdraw it before passing on to us. I know that I would =
seriously=20
reread something that was returned to me before reapproving for mass=20
distribution. <BR><BR>Bob Fadeley<BR><A=20
class=3Daolmailheader title=3Dmailto:rfadeley at go.com=20
href=3D"mailto:rfadeley at go.com">rfadeley at go.com</A></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
-------------------------------------------</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002>I certainly don't mind reviews. I =
suggest that=20
if readers don't wish to read reviews, for them to take note of the =
subject=20
header, which usually implies that the following message is a review. =
Then=20
delete it. <BR><BR>For those posting reviews, you might request that =
they put=20
the word "Review" in the subject line. <BR><BR>Cheers, Cat =
Kenney</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
----------------------------------------------</SPAN></P><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>
<P>Once again I can't "THANK YOU" enough for helping me out so much with =
this=20
helpful list.I feel that personal opinions and reviews should be al<SPAN =
class=3D680484501-12042002>lowed</SPAN>........Thanks for asking!</P>
<P>Have a great day,</P>
<P>Mark A. Mazzocco</P>
<P>PS: if you ever rec<SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002>e</SPAN>ive any =
critism of=20
something I acted in, then delete it...just kidding.</P>
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----------------------</SPAN></P>
<P>In answer to you inquiry, I do not feel that a person's personal =
opinions or=20
reviews should be included. I try to see everything I can, =
theaterwise,=20
and don't feel someone else's opinion, however well meaning, will =
influence me,=20
one way or the other. Above and beyond all that, I don't have time =
to read=20
the stuff that I'm supposed to, let alone the rest of it. So, =
since you=20
asked....<BR><BR><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>A<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>nonymous</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002></SPAN>-<SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
---------------------</SPAN><BR> Yes,=20
however, I don't like to get e-mails that give me a long list of <BR>all =
the=20
shows that a person's child is in (excluding Betsy Hogg's =
<BR>mom-Broadway is a=20
pretty big deal) If I wanna know I will call a parent=20
<BR>personally.<BR>Reviews and critics are part of theatre. Some =
people=20
hate criticism all <BR>together and think "how dare they say something =
bad about=20
our show or my <BR>performance" Theatre is an art form. It =
evolves,=20
has shape, and should <BR>entice discussion and thought. Why do we =
do=20
theatre if it doesn't cause <BR>someone to be motivated or feel a =
certain=20
emotion or cause change?<BR>Perhaps there could be an on-line theatre =
forum=20
created for Cleveland to <BR>discuss art that is going on around =
us.<BR><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>Anonymous</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
---------------------</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002>Yes, reviews and opinions should be =
allowed=20
because it's all part of <BR>theatre. Everyone has an opinion, positive =
or=20
negative, and should be able <BR>to share that with others they think =
can=20
appreciate it. If some people on <BR>the list don't want to read reviews =
or=20
anything they fear might be negative, <BR>they should skip those posts =
when=20
reading the list. Personally, I've used <BR>the reviews on the list =
which don't=20
appear in my local papers to decide if a <BR>show is worth seeing or=20
not.<BR>Thanks for putting it up to a vote.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002>Linda</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
-------------------</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002>YES! I agree; all points of view =
should be=20
represented! Let's not fall prey to censorship; apply the "if you =
don't=20
like it, don't read it" principle! Thanks for asking and thanks =
for the=20
service! Keep up the good work! </SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002>Anonymous</SPAN></P>
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---------------------------------------------------</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002><FONT color=3D#000040>Yes!<BR><BR>as =
an active=20
member of the theatre community, i enjoy getting the opinion of other =
members of=20
the community whose opinion i value. i can pick up the plain =
dealer or=20
other papers anytime to read reviews, HOWEVER, being as active as most =
members=20
of the theatre community are, i do not have contact with people i know, =
have=20
worked with, respect, etc, on a regular enough basis. seeing =
others'=20
opinions, to me, does not show any particular bias on your part. i =
also=20
have a hard time figuring out why it would be detrimental to your=20
list.<BR><BR>as always, thanking you for providing a much needed service =
to the=20
theatre community. and yes, i believe personal opinions and =
reviews should=20
be allowed.<BR><BR>sincerely<BR>Jen Krejsa</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002><FONT=20
color=3D#000040>---------------------------------------------------------=
----------</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002>I would vote for less reviews. Your =
last=20
comment about approving arts organizations posting positive plugs for =
their=20
shows is a good one. If an organization wants to post a link or a few =
quotes=20
about a review to generate more interest in one of their shows, that =
would be=20
fine, but the personal reviews, and ones not sent from the producing=20
organization have become too subjective. Thanks for asking our opinions =
and as=20
always Thank you Thank you Thank you for maintaining such a useful tool =
as this=20
list has become! </SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002>Mark Ross</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN=20
class=3D680484501-12042002>----------------------------------------------=
------------------------<BR>I=20
am sorry if I was one of the Emails that was wearing you out. I =
have=20
always felt extremely lucky to have an information and communication =
source such=20
as the NEohioPal list. And that it is what I always thought it to=20
be. A list for information regarding theatre and a communication =
source to=20
link Clevelanders interested in the arts. Posting critiques of =
others'=20
work on this list especially from those not affiliated with a =
professional=20
organization, or by writers who are only using the list to have a joke =
at other=20
people's expense makes this forum hurtful to many people. Maybe =
it's just=20
that I don't feel that my opinion regarding another actors' performance =
is=20
important enough to force it on a thousand people. Or maybe I wish =
that=20
more people felt that way as well. Either way, if this continues, =
I=20
believe that NEOhio Pal which is currently a valuable communication =
source for=20
all of us, will degrade itself into a back and forth gossip collumn =
masqaradeing=20
as "reviews". I for one hope that that is not allowed to=20
happen.<BR><BR><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" =
FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT"=20
BACK=3D"#ffffff" PTSIZE=3D"12"></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 =
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"=20
size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" BACK=3D"#ffffff" PTSIZE=3D"10"><FONT=20
size=3D3>Anonymous</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002><FONT lang=3D0 =
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"=20
size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" BACK=3D"#ffffff" PTSIZE=3D"10"><FONT=20
size=3D3>----------------------------------------------------------------=
---------</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=3D680484501-12042002><FONT lang=3D0 =
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"=20
size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" BACK=3D"#ffffff" PTSIZE=3D"10"><FONT =
size=3D3>I believe this is=20
actually an important subject. It really boils down to the original =
published=20
mission statement of the NEOhioPAL, and whether or not reviews or public =
commentary/ opinion fall within that mission statement. I seem to =
remember that=20
you had a mission statement, though I don't remember verbatim what it =
said. No=20
one knows the mission statement better than you - you created it after =
all! -=20
and this situation is the reason for its existence - to gauge=20
whether<BR>decisions that are made or directions that are taken fit =
within the=20
original framework on which the entity was founded. This is the only way =
to keep=20
this objective and not a matter of public opinion/interpretation. If you =
frame=20
the ultimate decision within that context, I cannot see how anyone can =
fault=20
you. If they don't agree with the original mission statement, then they =
should=20
not have become a member of the list. If the list has strayed from its =
original=20
purpose, then it is time to reign it in. As I recall, the =
mission=20
was to serve as an informational resource for the performing arts =
community to=20
find out about auditions, performance schedules, special events and =
classes. It=20
was to serve as a "classified" section to put out notices looking for =
directors=20
or designers. It was a means of announcing to the performing arts =
community=20
items like the AFTRA protests or the closing of the Ford=20
Agency - a news source for situations that =
immediately=20
impact the local performing arts community. All of these are =
objective=20
rather than subjective, and have served as a free resource for =
struggling=20
non-profit performing arts groups or individual artists who would have =
no other=20
means of getting the word out. <BR> <BR>Even unique situations =
like=20
the announcement about Steve Sterlekar seems appropriate within the =
context of=20
the list's mission, as it was a news item that directly affected the =
local=20
performing arts community and was the most effective means of=20
notifying<BR>everyone that we had lost one of our own. <BR><BR>Reviews =
and=20
public opinion do enter the realm of subjective commentary and =
editorializing. I=20
guess I am not convinced that these reviews - whether by a newspaper =
critic or=20
an individual expressing their own opinion - fall within the purpose of =
the list=20
as originally published. And if that is the case, I guess I am as much =
at fault=20
and have benefitted from it as much as anyone. If we allow the critic's =
reviews=20
on the list, I am not sure we can prevent other editorials from emerging =
either.=20
I guess the question is: where does one draw the line between an =
informational=20
resource (in my mind, an "objective" purpose) and a venue for =
editorializing (in=20
my mind, a "subjective" purpose). It just seems to devalue the overall =
mission=20
of the list. But maybe I am wrong and it falls within the original =
mission=20
statement. <BR><BR>I would be curious to hear your thoughts and to =
re-read you=20
first introductory email to Sternfeld's List.<BR>However this plays out, =
Fred, I=20
hope that this situation can be looked at as serving to reevaluate, to=20
reintroduce, and to reinforce the purpose of the list. You probably do =
not hear=20
enough thank yous from people for the great resource you have been=20
providing.<BR>So, thanks!</FONT> </FONT></SPAN></P>
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size=3D3>Anonymous</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"=20
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size=3D3>Firstly, thanx=20
for keeping the list going. i believe that it has been so helpful in the =
creation of a feeling of community for the arts here. Cheers!<BR><BR>I=20
feel the reviews are occasionally interesting but the personal =
opinion=20
stuff is useless in my opinion. After all it isn't a chat room. To me =
that is a=20
different thing.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
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