[NEohioPAL]Please Post - Oh Joel you 'ol Coot.!
fredsternfeld
fredsternfeld at fredsternfeld.com
Sun Feb 13 12:09:45 PST 2005
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Hi Rick,
I apologize for posting Joel's forwarding of your private message. I
made the assumption that he had your permission. I'll be much more
careful in the future.
And again, you are right, I had closed the discussion on "pay vs. no
pay." I forwarded Joel's because it opened up a whole new area of
discussion which seemed to me like a brand new topic. In retrospect, it
probably wasn't a new topic. I'll keep trying to get it right, although
administering the list has had it's challenges lately!
However, with this e-mail, I am officially closing the topic to the
regular neohiopal list. As always, everyone is welcome to continue
talking about it at the bulletin board site:
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neopal/>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neopal/
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: neohiopal-admin at lists.fredsternfeld.com
[mailto:neohiopal-admin at lists.fredsternfeld.com] On Behalf Of RICK
FERGUSON
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:54 PM
To: neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com
Subject: [NEohioPAL]Please Post - Oh Joel you 'ol Coot.!
Dear Mr. Sternfeld. I hope you can find it in your heart to post my
response to Joel and Cleveland.
Dear Cleveland
Well don't I just look like the biggest jerk on the planet. Seems that
Mr. Nunley has taken it upon himself to forward a private email I sent
to him, and make it public. (Strangely allowed to be posted even after
the deadline for discussions on this topic were closed)
I do however stand by what I said, but I probably would have chosen my
words more carefully had I known the entire bulletin board was going to
see it. Yes what I said was probably a little harsh. And I have met some
actors in Cleveland that deserve to get paid for their work. But
believe it or not, they realize that by living in Cleveland its very
unlikely they can support themselves by just acting. Most subsidize
their love of the artform by teaching or other day jobs. And I know of a
few that yes probably make most of their living by acting in Cleveland,
but they are the exception. There have been film and TV shows that have
come through town and HAVE paid local actors who were worth the money.
There is lots of talented actors in Cleveland, I had the pleasure of
working with many of them, and think that if any one of them wanted to
earn a living solely as an actor they could definitely do so - but in a
different town. I never exploited their talents for my own gain, and
appreciated every minute of their time they could give to my
self-financed projects. I leanred alot by watching them and performing
with them. But there are also a lot of people who do not, even some of
those who claim to be professional, really are aweful. I know that's
hard to hear, but its true.
I too love to act, and learned alot from the shows I put on and the
films I made. I never expected to get paid for it, but learned enough,
and developed my skills enough that now that I live in a city with more
opportunity for that type of work, I could eventually get paid for it.
Below was my actual response to the NEohioPAL list that was rejected
because the discussion had already closed. I believe the original
heading was "I need a surgeon - Will you work for Free"
<"To equate the "job" of acting to that of a surgeon is
horribly self indulgent.
Any yahoo in the world can call themselves an actor.
Acting will never be as important as surgery. Although
I suppose I could act like I'm a surgeon. I wonder if
I'll get any "jobs" then?">
Kinda sarcastic and snarky, but I was ticked off.
So thank you Mr Nunley, your actions were petty and vindictive, but I
learned my lesson. I am heartened by the fact I have recieved more
emails in support of my note to you than emails condemning me and
swearing at me. Out of respect for those who sent me nasty emails and
nice emails, I won't re-post them here.
And for the record I DO NOT work at WOIO and I NO LONGER live in
Cleveland. I took all the skills I learned working as an unpaid actor
and director and moved to a town where I feel there is a better chance
of me getting paid for it.
I apologize to all those I've worked with if my words offended anyone,
but those who know me, know I often say stuff that gets me in trouble.
But I must re-iterate my note to Mr. Nunley was not meant for public
eyes. You got me there Joel!
Best of luck to you all
Rick Ferguson Jerk extraordinaire.
"Believe me, there are days when I wish I wasn't so goddamn delicious."
7/22/04
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D005330320-13022005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff><STRONG>Hi=20
Rick,</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D005330320-13022005><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D005330320-13022005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff><STRONG>I=20
apologize for posting Joel's forwarding of your private message. I =
made=20
the assumption that he had your permission. I'll be much more =
careful in=20
the future.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D005330320-13022005><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D005330320-13022005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff><STRONG>And=20
again, you are right, I had closed the discussion on "pay vs. no=20
pay." I forwarded Joel's because it opened up a whole =
new area=20
of discussion which seemed to me like a brand new topic. In =
retrospect, it=20
probably wasn't a new topic. I'll keep trying to get it right, =
although=20
administering the list has had it's challenges=20
lately!</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D005330320-13022005><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D005330320-13022005><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff><STRONG>However, with this e-mail, I am officially =
closing the=20
topic to the regular neohiopal list. As always, everyone is =
welcome to=20
continue talking about it at the bulletin board site: </STRONG><A=20
href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neopal/"><STRONG>http://groups.yaho=
o.com/group/neopal/</STRONG></A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D005330320-13022005><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D005330320-13022005><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff><STRONG>Fred</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
neohiopal-admin at lists.fredsternfeld.com=20
[mailto:neohiopal-admin at lists.fredsternfeld.com] <B>On Behalf Of =
</B>RICK=20
FERGUSON<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:54 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [NEohioPAL]Please =
Post -=20
Oh Joel you 'ol Coot.!<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Dear Mr. Sternfeld. I hope you can find it in your heart to post =
my=20
response to Joel and Cleveland. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dear Cleveland </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Well don't I just look like the biggest jerk on the planet. Seems =
that=20
Mr. Nunley has taken it upon himself to forward a private email I sent =
to him,=20
and make it public. (Strangely allowed to be posted even after the =
deadline=20
for discussions on this topic were closed) </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I do however stand by what I said, but I probably would have =
chosen my=20
words more carefully had I known the entire bulletin board was going =
to see=20
it. Yes what I said was probably a little harsh. And I <EM>have</EM> =
met some=20
actors in Cleveland that deserve to get paid for their =
work. But=20
believe it or not, they realize that by living in Cleveland its very =
unlikely=20
they can support themselves by just acting. Most subsidize their love =
of the=20
artform by teaching or other day jobs. And I know of a few that yes =
probably=20
make most of their living by acting in Cleveland, but they are the =
exception.=20
There have been film and TV shows that have come through town and HAVE =
paid=20
local actors who were worth the money. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There is lots of talented actors in Cleveland, I had the pleasure =
of=20
working with many of them, and think that if any one of them wanted to =
earn a=20
living solely as an actor they could definitely do so - but in a =
different=20
town. I never exploited their talents for my own gain, and appreciated =
every=20
minute of their time they could give to my self-financed projects. I =
leanred=20
alot by watching them and performing with them. But there are =
also a lot=20
of people who do not, even some of those who claim to be professional, =
really=20
are aweful. I know that's hard to hear, but its true. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I too love to act, and learned alot from the shows I put on =
and the=20
films I made. I never expected to get paid for it, but learned enough, =
and=20
developed my skills enough that now that I live in a city with more=20
opportunity for that type of work, I could eventually get paid for it. =
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Below was my actual response to the NEohioPAL list that was =
rejected=20
because the discussion had already closed. I believe the original =
heading was=20
"I need a surgeon - Will you work for Free"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3Dcourier><"To equate the "job" of acting to that =
of a=20
surgeon is<BR>horribly self indulgent. <BR><BR>Any yahoo in the world =
can call=20
themselves an actor. <BR><BR>Acting will never be as important as =
surgery.=20
Although<BR>I suppose I could act like I'm a surgeon. I wonder =
if<BR>I'll get=20
any "jobs" then?"></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT face=3Darial>Kinda sarcastic and snarky, but I was ticked=20
off.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3Dcourier><FONT face=3Darial>So thank you Mr Nunley, =
your actions=20
were petty and vindictive, but I learned my lesson. I am =
heartened by the=20
fact I have recieved more emails in support of my note to you than =
emails=20
condemning me and swearing at me. Out of respect for those who sent me =
nasty=20
emails and nice emails, I won't re-post them here. </FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3Dcourier><FONT face=3Darial>And for the record I DO NOT =
work at=20
WOIO and I NO LONGER live in Cleveland. I took all the skills I =
learned=20
working as an unpaid actor and director and moved to a town where I =
feel there=20
is a better chance of me getting paid for it. </FONT></P>
<DIV><FONT face=3Darial>I apologize to all those I've worked with if =
my words=20
offended anyone, but those who know me, know I often say stuff that =
gets me in=20
trouble. But I must re-iterate my note to Mr. Nunley was not meant for =
public=20
eyes. You got me there Joel! </FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT face=3Darial>Best of luck to you all</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3Darial>Rick Ferguson </FONT><FONT face=3Darial><EM>Jerk =
extraordinaire.</EM></FONT></P></FONT></DIV><BR><BR>"Believe me, there =
are=20
days when I wish I wasn't so goddamn delicious." 7/22/04
<P>__________________________________________________<BR>Do You=20
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