[NEohioPAL]Pay vs.No Pay debate.....local casting director response
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Thu Mar 24 21:33:12 PST 2005
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In a message dated 3/24/05 9:27:33 PM, JoeyLoc99 at aol.com writes:
> (* Person's name and email address is irrelevant to the points being made
> so I deleted them.)
>
joe.....unfortunately, naming the production company is NOT irrellevant to
the point at all.... there will always be producers/companies (especially local
car dealerships) that refuse to pay talent, and there will always be actors
(like you) wanting to participate in these on camera shoots for the fun and
experience. You are absolutely right....had you asked for pay, they would NOT
have used you.
BUT....
The awareness that Jean has initiated will best be realized when the people
casting talent for commercial gain are FORCED to pay the talent. The only way
they will EVER be forced into that position (outside of using their friends
and relatives), is if actors like you, even if you desperately want the on
camera exposure STOP responding to their "work for free" notices.
The hope is that eventually they will get tired of using their friends and
relatives and work some money into the budget to hire REAL actors!
I'm pretty sure this is the hopefull scenerio for this meeting / forum:
Advertising guy (like Brown & Miller), hires a casting director (like me) to
hire talent for an upcoming commercial shoot. He tells me he will pay me,
but he can't pay the actors....(no money in the budget for talent). I post a
"work for experience only" notice and NO ONE responds because everybody is
standing together and saying NO. I would have to go back to Brown & Miller and
tell them that there are no actors in Cleveland willing to do it for free. I
will be released from the job and Brown & Miller will find the talent themselves
by going to their friends and relatives. The commercials will suck because
friends and relatives are typically AWFUL, and the Dealership that hired Brown
& Miller to run their ads are NOT HAPPY!!!! It would only be a matter of
time before they would realize that they must include funds in the budget so
they can hire REAL talent, so they can make GOOD commercials and their clients
will be HAPPY!!!
As a casting director, I have been put in this position many times. I'm
sick of it too.....I agree with Tom Fulton and many of the other posters who KNOW
that these bozos can certainly pay the talent.
I am not optimistic that people like you will refuse appearances in
commercials just because there is NO PAY!!! I know for a fact because I've been doing
this for 15 years that if I DID post a "work for experience only" notice,
that I would get at least 50 replys of willing actor wannabe's!
I for one, no longer will accept COMMERCAIL casting assignments that don't
pay the actors.
MY ADVICE TO THOSE SEEKING EXPERIENCE: audition and/or try to participate
in local COMMUNITY THEATRE and non-profit productions. Auditioning and
accepting roles for local filmmmakers with no budgets to speak of is also a great
way to feel ok about not getting paid. There are many rewards to be
had.....beyond that....ask to be paid! Especially for commercials! ESPECIALLY FOR
CAR DEALERSHIPS.
julie matthews
CANDLEjUMP PRODUCTIONS
presents
SOUPERNATURAL
starring
Kevin Max, Kristin Richardson
Lou Ferrigno, Dee Wallace....
check out the full cast and view the trailer at
WWW.SOUPERNATURALMOVIE.COM
This e-mail sent by
Julie Matthews
Producer
330-467-0577
216-210-2106
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In a message dated 3/24/05 9:27:33 PM, JoeyLoc99 at aol.com writes:<BR>
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00000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">(* Person's name and=20=
email address is irrelevant to the points being made so I deleted them.)<BR>
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3">joe.....unfortunately, naming the production company is NOT irrellevant t=
o the </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SI=
ZE=3D"3">point at all.... there will always be producers/companies (especial=
ly local car dealerships) that refuse to pay talent, and there will always b=
e actors (like you) wanting to participate in these on camera shoots for the=
fun and experience. You are absolutely right....had you asked for pa=
y, they would NOT have used you. <BR>
BUT.... <BR>
The awareness that Jean has initiated will best be realized when the people=20=
casting talent for commercial gain are FORCED to pay the talent. The=20=
only way they will EVER be </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FA=
MILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"3"><I>forced </I></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" F=
ACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"3">into that position (outside o=
f using their friends and relatives), is if actors like you, even if you des=
perately want the on camera exposure STOP responding to their "work for free=
" notices. <BR>
<BR>
The hope is that eventually they will get tired of using their friends and r=
elatives and work some money into the budget to hire REAL actors! <BR=
>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#FF0000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"=
3">I'm pretty sure this is the hopefull scenerio for this meeting / forum:<B=
R>
Advertising guy (like Brown & Miller), hires a casting director (like me=
) to hire talent for an upcoming commercial shoot. He tells me he wil=
l pay </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#FF0000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SI=
ZE=3D"3"><I>me</I></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#FF0000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"S=
ANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"3">, but he can't pay the actors....(no money in the budge=
t for talent). I post a "work for experience only" notice and </FONT>=
<FONT COLOR=3D"#FF0000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"3"><B>N=
O ONE responds because everybody is standing together and saying NO.</B></FO=
NT><FONT COLOR=3D"#FF0000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"3">&=
nbsp; I would have to go back to Brown & Miller and tell them that ther=
e are no actors in Cleveland willing to do it for free. I will be released f=
rom the job and Brown & Miller will find the talent themselves by going=20=
to their </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#FF0000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"=
SIZE=3D"3"><I>friends </I></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#FF0000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FA=
MILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"3">and </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#FF0000" FACE=3D"Gen=
eva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"3"><I>relatives</I></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#=
FF0000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"3">. The commerc=
ials will suck because friends and relatives are typically AWFUL, and the De=
alership that hired Brown & Miller to run their ads are NOT HAPPY!!!!&nb=
sp; It would only be a matter of time before they would realize that=20=
they must include funds in the budget so they can </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#FF0=
000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"3"><I>hire</I></FONT><FONT=
COLOR=3D"#FF0000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"3"> REAL tal=
ent, so they can make GOOD commercials and their clients will be HAPPY!!! </=
FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"3"=
><BR>
<BR>
As a casting director, I have been put in this position many times. I=
'm sick of it too.....I agree with Tom Fulton and many of the other posters=20=
who KNOW that these bozos can certainly pay the talent. <BR>
<BR>
I am not optimistic that people like you will refuse appearances in commerci=
als just because there is NO PAY!!! I know for a fact because I've be=
en doing this for 15 years that if I DID post a </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#00000=
0" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"3"> "work for experience onl=
y" notice, that I would get at least 50 replys of willing actor wannabe's!&n=
bsp; <BR>
<BR>
I for one, no longer will accept COMMERCAIL casting assignments that don't p=
ay the actors.<BR>
<BR>
MY ADVICE TO THOSE SEEKING EXPERIENCE: audition and/or try to partici=
pate in local COMMUNITY THEATRE and non-profit productions. Auditioni=
ng and accepting roles for local filmmmakers with no budgets to speak of is=20=
also a great way to feel ok about not getting paid. There are many re=
wards to be had.....beyond that....ask to be paid! Especially=20=
for commercials! ESPECIALLY FOR CAR DEALERSHIPS.<BR>
<BR>
julie matthews</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSS=
ERIF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
<BR>
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ILY=3D"SERIF" SIZE=3D"4" STYLE=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #D0D0D0"><B>CANDLEjUMP P=
RODUCTIONS<BR>
presents<BR>
SOUPERNATURAL<BR>
starring<BR>
Kevin Max, Kristin Richardson<BR>
Lou Ferrigno, Dee Wallace....<BR>
check out the full cast and view the trailer at<BR>
WWW.SOUPERNATURALMOVIE.COM<BR>
This e-mail sent by<BR>
Julie Matthews<BR>
Producer<BR>
330-467-0577<BR>
216-210-2106</B></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SAN=
SSERIF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
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