[NEohioPAL]Six Great Shows at One Great Price
Tami Garlock Cleveland
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The House of Blues Club in Cleveland is offering you a great chance to see
six great shows at one great price.
Buy a Tribute Series Super Ticket to see some great tribute bands!
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>From Got Pay?" <gotpay at gotpay.org Thu May 26 20:05:57 2005
From: Got Pay?" <gotpay at gotpay.org (Got Pay?)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:05:57 -0400
Subject: [NEohioPAL]GOT DIPLOMACY?
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BlankDear Pals- As the GOT PAY? Organization evolves it is finding =
it's voice as a conduit for positive change, but that voice can get =
horse if some of us are screaming to be heard. Translation: Offending =
the very people that we hope will employ us will only hurt us. =
Unfortunately, some folks out there are being downright offensive in =
their response to audition notices. It's none of my business what you =
say in your emails, but if you truly want to see improvement, I suggest =
you use a direct but respectful approach. =20
I want to share just one series of correspondence I had with a company =
that recently posted an audition notice here. (listed #1- #4 in red) =
After the initial conflict re: WOIO, I have made it a policy to send a =
courtesy email to every company/person who posts these Non Paying =
opportunities, explaining the efforts of the GOT PAY? Organization, =
hoping to appeal to their better judgment about their unfair practices. =
This particular person asked not to re-mention the company name/product =
she represented. I hope after reading these 4 emails you will all agree =
that directness tempered with diplomacy is the best approach with =
potential employers, even if we don't agree with all of their practices. =
Thanks for taking the time to read the following. My only intention =
is to improve communication in this growing effort. =20
Respectfully-
Your devoted advocate and Founder of the GOT PAY? Organization - Jean =
Zarzour=20
#1. After sending email to NEOPal, urging you to look into =
Non-Broadcast Rates at www.gotpay.org, I sent the following email to the =
person who posted the non paying job audition that inspired that email =
to you:
Dear Sarah- I am the founder of the GOT PAY? Organization, an artists =
advocacy and education resource based here in Cleveland. If you have =
been posting or accessing information on the NEOPal list since February, =
you may recognize the GOT PAY? name. =20
In a sincere effort to see positive change for all area artists, I want =
you to know that our mission to educate artists about their Pay =
Potential is not intended as an attack on you or your efforts. It is an =
attempt to elevate the awareness, with employers and artists alike, that =
All Artists Have Worth. =20
Our motto is: If Money Is Made, The Talent Gets Paid! Your recent post =
seeking voice over and on camera talent for the (Co./Product Name) falls =
directly under that category.
My goal is to see a turn around from NO PAY to PAY when it comes to =
opportunities like the one you have presented and to do what ever I can =
to assist the potential employer, as much as the artists, in making that =
happen. Often, companies like yours have little to no experience in =
hiring actors for their projects. With 25 years experience as both a =
talent and employer of other talent, I hope to help make that process =
much easier for you in any way I can. =20
In a volatile and challenging industry like Show Business, more radical =
efforts are often the only road to success. =20
I hope that soon we can count (Co./Product Name) among the slowly =
growing number of companies making the transition from NO PAY to PAY =
when it comes to hiring talent to represent their products or creative =
projects.
Below is your post and my response to the NEOPal list regarding your =
post. (deleted out of respect for this person's request to remain =
anonymous)
Please don't hesitate to contact me with any questions or concerns you =
may have.
Respectfully-
Jean Zarzour, Founder of the GOT PAY? Organization
#2. Here is the response I got from the person who posted the audition =
notice:
Jean,
I completely understand where you are coming from.
However, this is actually not my company or my DVD--I am simply a recent =
graduate who has been hired to produce to video and sound. When I asked =
if there was a budget to pay talent, I was told no, that there was no =
money.
So, all I can do is be up front and honest about the audition, and offer =
this as an opportunity for actors who would like a fun experience or who =
are looking to build their resume. This approach, to me, seems fair.
I am responding to you because your email also seemed fair. Below are =
copies of emails I have received from other members of NeOHIOpal:
If yoiu don't pay, don't tie up this line. My children need to eat. =20
You are a thief.
Fuck off.
NON PAYING, NON UNION??? Do you work for free?
Non-paying is not a JOB. =20
Where were you when the whole Pay vs NO pay discussion
was going on?
You get what you pay for. Why would you NOT pay
somthing for voice-over talent?
thanks.
Sarah
#3. Here is my reply to the above email:=20
Dear Sarah- All I can say is YIKES! And thanks so much for your reply. =
You're so right, most of those were totally inappropriate responses and =
even though I am not responsible for them, I want to say how sorry I am =
that you were subject to the most offensive responses. =20
The controversy over the whole Pay vs No Pay discussion was a very =
intense but productive one that took place for over a month, culminating =
in a meeting of artists mentoring artists and then the creation of the =
GOT PAY? Website. Like any campaign for change, it is an evolving entity =
looking for it's true voice. I think that some folks are still way too =
fired up and aren't aware of the potential to do more harm than good. =20
I hope to do some good and to that end, would so appreciate referencing =
your email in a plea to the offenders to use discretion when responding =
to posts like yours.
All that negativity aside, the fact is that no matter how you pose the =
Non Paying casting call, it is still an unfair request of any person, =
let alone the offense that it represents to the 500+ Union actors and =
hundreds more Non Union actors that live and work right here in our =
community. Every job is a "fun experience" for those "who are looking =
to build their resume", but it is not worth building a resume with =
non-paying work that could just as easily be paid.=20
I encourage actors to differentiate between the opportunities that are =
clearly low budget, artistic endeavors from commercial endeavors like =
yours and make the decision to just say "no". I can no more control =
that decision any more than I can control their decision to send =
offensive emails, but I am always going to try. =20
I would appreciate it if you would forward our correspondence to the =
"powers that be" regarding this project. It would be a shame if this =
positive interaction went unnoticed.
Again, thanks so much for sharing all of this information with me and =
let me know if it would be ok to quote your response in my plea to =
foster a more diplomatic NEOPal community. Naturally, I will be sure to =
state that the identities of the people who wrote you were not revealed, =
so that you are not subject to further backlash. =20
If you are not comfortable with being quoted, I will still compose the =
letter without naming you or your company. I simply want to let =
everyone know that the GOT PAY? Organization does not support this sort =
of conduct and share with them the sort of correspondence that we DO =
support.
Respectfully-
Jean Zarzour, Founder of the GOT PAY? Organization
#4. This was her reply to the above email:
I am comfortable being quoted, yes, as long as my company is not =
mentioned. Having worked with actors before, I honestly understand the =
situation and was sincerely disappointed when they weren't offering pay =
for the acting positions. In their defense, they are an extremely small =
business who has just begun--this is product is really a market test, I =
believe.
I think what you're doing is great; however, I don't think the neohpal =
should stop posting non-paying positions.
As a visual artist, the first few years I worked in the field I did do =
jobs here and there that were for free--it got my work out and made =
connections. I'm sure you know the drill, every artist has been there. =
Even though it gets frustrating after the years to keep hearing about =
the non-paying jobs, it still means a less competitive opportunity for =
someone just starting out. =20
That's my take on this. It's so easy to fire off a hurtful email and =
forget a real person is on the other side. Its also unfortunate because =
there is also a chance I'll be organize a paying project in the near =
future--why would I want to use Neohpal after this experience?
Anyway, thanks for your response.
Sarah=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dear Pals- As the <FONT face=3DImpact =
color=3D#008000=20
size=3D3>GOT PAY?</FONT> <FONT color=3D#ff0000>Organization =
</FONT>evolves it=20
is finding it's voice as a conduit for positive change, but that voice =
can get=20
horse if some of us are screaming to be heard. =
Translation: Offending=20
the very people that we hope will employ us will only hurt us. =20
Unfortunately, some folks out there are being downright offensive in =
their=20
response to audition notices. It's none of my business what you =
say in=20
your emails, but if you truly want to see improvement, I suggest =
you use a=20
direct but respectful approach. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I want to share just one series of =
correspondence I had=20
with a company that recently posted an audition notice here. <FONT=20
color=3D#ff0000>(listed #1- #4 in red)</FONT> After the initial =
conflict re:=20
WOIO,</FONT><FONT size=3D2> I have made it a policy to send a=20
courtesy email to every company/person who posts these Non Paying=20
opportunities, explaining the efforts of the <FONT face=3DImpact =
color=3D#008000=20
size=3D3>GOT PAY?</FONT> <FONT color=3D#ff0000>Organization, =
</FONT>hoping to appeal=20
to their better judgment about their unfair practices. This=20
particular person asked not to re-mention the company name/product she=20
represented. I hope after reading these 4 emails you will all =
agree=20
that directness tempered with diplomacy is the best approach with =
potential=20
employers, even if we don't agree with all of their =
practices. =20
Thanks for taking the time to read the following. My only =
intention is=20
to improve communication in this growing effort. =20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Respectfully-</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Your devoted advocate and Founder of the<FONT face=3DImpact =
color=3D#008000=20
size=3D4> GOT PAY?</FONT> <FONT color=3D#ff0000>Organization - <SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"><FONT face=3D"Brush Script =
MT"><FONT=20
color=3D#ff0000 size=3D5>Jean=20
Zarzour</FONT> </FONT></SPAN><BR></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#ff0000></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000>#1.</FONT></STRONG> <FONT=20
color=3D#ff0000><STRONG>After sending email to NEOPal=
, urging=20
you to look into Non-Broadcast Rates at <A=20
href=3D"http://www.gotpay.org">www.gotpay.org</A>, I sent the =
following email=20
to the person who posted the non paying job audition that =
inspired that email to you:</STRONG></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dear Sarah- I am the founder of the <FONT =
face=3DImpact=20
color=3D#008000 size=3D3>GOT PAY?</FONT> <FONT =
color=3D#ff0000>Organization</FONT>, an=20
artists advocacy and education resource based here =
in Cleveland. If=20
you have been posting or accessing information on the NEOPal list =
since=20
February, you may recognize the <FONT face=3DImpact color=3D#008000 =
size=3D3>GOT=20
PAY?</FONT> name. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>In a sincere effort to see positive change =
for all=20
area artists, I want you to know that our mission to =
educate=20
artists about their <EM>Pay Potential</EM> is not intended as an attack =
on you=20
or your efforts. It is an attempt to elevate the awareness, with =
employers and=20
artists alike, that <FONT color=3D#ff0000><STRONG>All Artists Have=20
Worth</STRONG></FONT>. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Our motto is: <FONT color=3D#ff0000><STRONG>If =
Money=20
Is Made, The Talent Gets Paid!</STRONG> </FONT> Your recent=20
post seeking voice over and on camera talent for the =
</FONT><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>(Co./Product Name)</STRONG> falls directly =
under=20
that category.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My goal is to see a turn around from <STRONG><FONT=20
color=3D#ff0000><EM>NO PAY to PAY</EM></FONT></STRONG> when it comes=20
to opportunities like the one you have presented and to do what =
ever I can=20
to assist the potential employer, as much as the artists, in making =
that=20
happen. Often, companies like yours have little to no experience =
in hiring=20
actors for their projects. With 25 years experience as both a =
talent and=20
employer of other talent, I hope to help make that process much =
easier for=20
you in any way I can. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>In a volatile and challenging industry like =
Show=20
Business, more radical efforts are often the only road to =
success. =20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I hope that soon we can count <STRONG> =
(Co./Product=20
Name)</STRONG> among the slowly growing number of companies making the=20
transition <FONT color=3D#ff0000><FONT color=3D#000000>from =
</FONT><STRONG><EM>NO=20
PAY to PAY</EM></STRONG></FONT> when it comes to hiring talent =
to=20
represent their products or creative projects.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Below is your post and my response to the =
NEOPal list=20
regarding your post. <EM>(deleted out of respect for this person's =
request to=20
remain anonymous)</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Please don't hesitate to contact me with any =
questions or=20
concerns you may have.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Respectfully-</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Jean Zarzour, Founder of the<FONT face=3DImpact color=3D#008000 =
size=3D4> GOT=20
PAY?</FONT> <FONT color=3D#ff0000>Organization</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#ff0000>#2. Here is the response I got =
from the=20
person who posted the audition notice:</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jean,<BR><BR>I completely understand where you are coming=20
from.<BR><BR>However, this is actually not my company or my DVD--I am =
simply a=20
recent graduate who has been hired to produce to video and sound. =
When I=20
asked if there was a budget to pay talent, I was told no, that =
there was=20
no money.<BR><BR>So, all I can do is be up front and honest about the =
audition,=20
and offer this as an opportunity for actors who would like a fun =
experience or=20
who are looking to build their resume. This approach, to me, seems=20
fair.<BR><BR>I am responding to you because your email also seemed =
fair. =20
Below are copies of emails I have received from other members of=20
NeOHIOpal:<BR><BR>If yoiu don't pay, don't tie up this line. My =
children=20
need to eat. <BR>You are a thief.<BR>Fuck off.<BR><BR><FONT =
lang=3D0=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D3 PTSIZE=3D"12"=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" BACK=3D"#ffffff">NON PAYING, NON UNION??? Do you =
work for=20
free?</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D2 PTSIZE=3D"10" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"=20
BACK=3D"#ffffff"><BR><BR>Non-paying is not a JOB. <BR><BR>Where =
were you=20
when the whole Pay vs NO pay discussion<BR>was going on?<BR><BR>You get =
what you=20
pay for. Why would you NOT pay<BR>somthing for voice-over=20
talent?<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<DIV class=3DSection1><BIG style=3D"COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"><BIG><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-FAMILY: brush script mt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-STYLE: italic"></SPAN></SPAN></BIG></BIG><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><?xml:namespace prefix =3D o /><o:p><FONT=20
face=3DHelvetica></FONT></o:p></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black"><o:p>thanks.<BR>Sarah<BR></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"><o:p>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2><STRONG>#3. Here is my reply =
to the=20
above email: </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#ff0000></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dear Sarah- All I can say is YIKES! And =
thanks so=20
much for your reply. You're so right, most of those were totally=20
inappropriate responses and even though I am not responsible for them, I =
want to=20
say how sorry I am that you were subject to the most offensive =
responses. =20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The controversy over the whole Pay vs No Pay =
discussion was a=20
very intense but productive one that took place for over a month, =
culminating in=20
a meeting of artists mentoring artists and then the creation of the GOT =
PAY?=20
Website. Like any campaign for change, it is an evolving entity =
looking for=20
it's true voice. I think that some folks are still way too =
fired=20
up and aren't aware of the potential to do more harm than =
good. =20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I hope to do some good and to that end, would so =
appreciate=20
referencing your email in a plea to the offenders to use discretion when =
responding to posts like yours.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>All that negativity aside, the fact is that no =
matter how you=20
pose the Non Paying casting call, it is still an unfair request of any =
person,=20
let alone the offense that it represents to the 500+ Union actors and=20
hundreds more Non Union actors that live and work right =
here in=20
our community. Every job is a "fun experience" for those "who are =
looking=20
to build their resume", but it is not worth building a resume with =
non-paying=20
work that could just as easily be paid. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I encourage actors to differentiate between the =
opportunities=20
that are clearly low budget, artistic endeavors from commercial =
endeavors like=20
yours and make the decision to just say "no". I can no =
more=20
control that decision any more than I can control their decision to send =
offensive emails, but I am always going to try. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I would appreciate it if you would forward our =
correspondence=20
to the "powers that be" regarding this project. It would be a=20
shame if this positive interaction went =
unnoticed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Again, thanks so much for sharing all of this =
information with=20
me and let me know if it would be ok to quote your response in my =
plea to=20
foster a more diplomatic NEOPal community. </FONT><FONT =
size=3D2>Naturally,=20
I will be sure to state that the identities of the people who wrote you=20
were not revealed, so that you are not subject to further =
backlash. =20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If you are not comfortable with being quoted, I will =
still=20
compose the letter without naming you or your company. I simply =
want to=20
let everyone know that the GOT PAY? Organization does not support this =
sort of=20
conduct and share with them the sort of correspondence that we DO=20
support.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Respectfully-</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Jean Zarzour, Founder of the<FONT face=3DImpact color=3D#008000 =
size=3D4> GOT=20
PAY?</FONT> <FONT color=3D#ff0000>Organization</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000><STRONG>#4. This was her reply to the =
above=20
email:</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am comfortable being quoted, yes, as long as my company is not=20
mentioned. Having worked with actors before, I honestly understand =
the=20
situation and was sincerely disappointed when they weren't offering pay =
for the=20
acting positions. In their defense, they are an extremely small =
business=20
who has just begun--this is product is really a market test, I =
believe.<BR><BR>I=20
think what you're doing is great; however, I don't think the neohpal =
should stop=20
posting non-paying positions.<BR><BR>As a visual artist, the first few =
years I=20
worked in the field I did do jobs here and there that were for free--it =
got my=20
work out and made connections. I'm sure you know the drill, every =
artist=20
has been there. Even though it gets frustrating after the years to =
keep=20
hearing about the non-paying jobs, it still means a less competitive =
opportunity=20
for someone just starting out. <BR><BR>That's my take on =
this. It's=20
so easy to fire off a hurtful email and forget a real person is on the =
other=20
side. Its also unfortunate because there is also a chance I'll be =
organize=20
a paying project in the near future--why would I want to use Neohpal =
after this=20
experience?<BR><BR>Anyway, thanks for your response.<BR><BR>Sarah =
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