[NEohioPAL]Interesting read: is the web killing the newspaper industry?
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On the same token, there are some news services which if missed can be viewed on the Net, which is a "broadcaster" itself. That's one good example of interperability. The problem you write about with regard to broadcast news or even locally distributed newspaper content is very much the same as the problem with the webcast of information we receive via the Internet (only that on the web, the scale of unworthy content is vastly superior, as there are currently fewer means of sifting out the gold from the horse dung).
As long as it's all agreed that niche groups of interest whose borders are done away with via the web have as much (but no more) importance as geographically, localized community groups, then whether you're a broadcast news service, a newspaper in distribution, or a web service provider--whatever your business of fancy--you better be damned sure integrity is molded into your strategy. Otherwise, the technology is bound to give you a wake-up call itself and, excuse the cliche, catch you with your pants down!
Newspapers, TV news, etc., would have it as a great strategy for the future in becoming "sifters" of such content that can be backed up by more in-depth coverage via pointers to acclaimed web spaces. That's my bet, I'm all in; and all out!
Mike
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Good stuff, Johnny, and I agree with you.
Yea... 24 news.. and local news 'magazine', like wuab's action news, I think are more of a culprit than the net.. People see a headline on the net, and that usually leads them to the TV for the 'full' story.
I liken local tv news to 'magazines' because of its 'slick' format and inclusion of opinions thinly veiled as objective and fair. The inclusion of product advertising as 'news' stories, is another irritating aspect of the current nature of journalism...They're called 'advertorials'. This is true across media types... print or broadcast. We'll see a lot more of this as more and more of the media outlets (tv, print, and radio) are controlled by fewer and fewer people. The laws(FCC) used to not allow a company to own mutliple media companys in the same market, to insure non partisan coverage.. But that's changed a lot, hasn't it? Most of us haven't even noticed... To me its doesn't matter too much where you get your news for those reasons. There is little integrity in any of it...
I've seen this coming for a long time too. I don't think newspapers will totally go away, but they're going to have to change a lot; downsize, find niche markets etc. They are more print publications now than ever before. Nothing will ever replace the feeling of a magazine or a book in your hand. They're going to just have to rethink they're whole mission...
The PD's removal of the local arts announcement section is yet another short sighted poor move by them,and that seems to be the norm in this town.. They think supporting the bigger productions from out of town is the answer... but there's so much grass roots art in Cleveland, that goes unnoticed an uncovered, its an industry waiting to happen.. Especially in the music community. Its just crazy...
Okay, now pay up!
That'll cost you 2 cents..
Frank Mixson
Johnny Wu <johnny at mdifilm.com> wrote:
2 years ago when I attended the PD's art meeting, I voiced my concern
via email to PD's CEO on this, that the internet is one of the reason
why paper subscription and advertisement sales were decreasing:
everything written in PD can be found on the internet so I don't need to
buy a copy of the newspaper and I can get the news onl ine or go to
www.cnn.com, and that all the discounted coupons can be found online as
well or sales info, etc. I didn't get any respond, perhaps I was not
being heard... But now there are a lot of people stating the same,
including this article from winxpnews. It echoes a bit of my concern
then, I think newspapers should re-consider their strategy to make
internet work on their favor not slowly 'taking' the resource away from
it.
Johnny
---------------
Is the Web Killing the Newspaper Industry?
http://www.wxpnews.com/?id=205
Fifteen years ago, I couldn't have imagined not subscribing to the local
newspaper. Waiting for the paper to come each day was an important part
of life when I was growing up.
Not anymore. I still read the Dallas Morning News every day, as I have
since childhood, but I don't have to wait for it to be delivered all at
once; now the stories are updated as they occur. I don't have to go o ut
in a downpour to get them, and I don't have to deal with throwing away
stacks of newsprint every week (on the downside, I don't have a bunch of
free packing material sitting around when I want to box up something
fragile, either). I now read my news on the Web, and I'm not limited to
my local newspaper. I read several major city and specialty dailies, and
the only one I have to pay for is the Wall Street Journal. Ironically,
the only rare occasions when I do pick up a print copy of the Sunday
paper are when I'm in the market to buy something and want to look at
the advertising inserts.
According to circulation figures, newspaper subscriptions are declining.
Logically, the Web gets much of the blame. However, a closer look
indicates that this is part of a twenty-year trend - quite a bit longer
than the average person has had easy Internet access. Some industry
analysts believe the real culprit (or at least the one that started it
all ) is twenty-four hour cable news. Others say changes in the rules
governing telemarketing (the means by which major papers gained up to 65
percent of their home delivery subscribers in the past) have had the
greatest impact of all.
But there's no denying that a growing number of us get most of our news
from the Internet. Many newspapers have adapted and put out online
versions, but some refuse to do so because they believe it will cause
them to lose even more subscribers. And they're probably right; why pay
to wait around for the paper to be delivered when you can access that
same paper any time, for free? Generally, the decision to go online also
requires a shift in revenue strategy, with more dependence on revenues
from advertisers to replace subscription revenue. That can lead to other
problems. I'm annoyed by the popup ads on the Dallas paper's Web site -
but not annoyed enough to stop reading the online version. I figure it's
the price I pay instead of a subscription (although I'd be willing to
pay a small fee for online access without the popups).
Of course, Internet users don't have to rely on just the "official" news
outlets for information anymore, either. The popularity of blogging has
made it possible for anyone to become a publisher and disseminate his or
her version of the news, including stories that would never be picked up
by the commercial media.
Another advantage of Internet-based news is that I can set up
notifications so I'll get emailed messages about breaking news from
various news outlets or about specified subjects or use RSS to keep up
with new articles posted to blogs or other Web sites. And with a Pocket
PC phone equipped with unlimited data access, you can get your Internet
news anywhere you happen to be, at any time.
News stories aren't the only area where the traditional newspapers are
losing out to the Internet, either. The class ified ads used to be a
significant source of revenue, and the primary way people bought and
sold personal property, used automobiles and real estate. Now Internet
outlets such as Craig's List, eBay, Yahoo Classifieds, and new services
being started up by Google (GoogleBase) and Microsoft (Windows Live
Classifieds, codenamed Fremont) are taking over that function. Some of
these (such as eBay) charge you fees to sell items. Others don't. The
free services are supported by online advertising, but unlike on many of
the news Web sites, the ads aren't intrusive and don't interfere with
the usability of the sites.
I recently had two houses in the DFW area that I wanted to sell on a "by
owner" basis. I first looked to the Dallas Morning News classified
section, and discovered it would cost me $53 to place a three line ad to
run for one weekend (Friday, Saturday and Sunday) in the print edition,
and $16 for each additional line. Or I could spen d $99 for a 60 day ad
(the minimum) in the online edition.
eBay would charge me a percentage of the selling price, which would add
up to about $1375 - but only if and when it sold (still thousands of
dollars less than I'd have had to pay a real estate agent to list the
house on MLS).
However, I didn't really want to pay that much, either. So I turned to
Craig's list (www.craigslist.com). I put two separate ads on their
Dallas/Ft. Worth site, for no cost. Each ad was over fifteen lines,
giving all the details I could about the property, and I was able to
include four photos of each house in its ad. Within a couple of weeks
I'd had dozens of calls and had buyers for both houses.
Despite the fact that these online options are replacing many newspaper
functions, I figure that as long as there are bird cages to be lined,
newspapers will never become completely obsolete . What about you? Do
you think the Web is killing the newspap er industry - or is it only
changing it? Have you let your subscriptions to print papers lapse? Or
are you one of those folks who doesn't want to read the news onscreen?
Do you see any advantage to paying the hefty fees charged by the
newspapers for classified ads, or are free classified services the wave
of the future? Let us know at feedback at wxpnews.com.
Johnny K. Wu
===============
Cleveland IndieClub
Monthly free filmmaking networking group
www.clevelandindieclub.com
Media Design Imaging
www.mdifilm.com
216.373.3278
President (2004 & 2005)
Organization of Chinese Americans of Greater Cleveland
www.ocagc.org
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2800 years of Family System
www.wujiaquan.com
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<DIV>On the same token, there are some news services which if missed can be viewed on the Net, which is a "broadcaster" itself. That's one good example of interperability. The problem you write about with regard to broadcast news or even locally distributed newspaper content is very much the same as the problem with the webcast of information we receive via the Internet (only that on the web, the scale of unworthy content is vastly superior, as there are currently fewer means of sifting out the gold from the horse dung).</DIV>
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<DIV>As long as it's all agreed that niche groups of interest whose borders are done away with via the web have as much (but no more) importance as geographically, localized community groups, then whether you're a broadcast news service, a newspaper in distribution, or a web service provider--whatever your business of fancy--you better be damned sure integrity is molded into your strategy. Otherwise, the technology is bound to give you a wake-up call itself and, excuse the cliche, catch you with your pants down!</DIV>
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<DIV>Newspapers, TV news, etc., would have it as a great strategy for the future in becoming "sifters" of such content that can be backed up by more in-depth coverage via pointers to acclaimed web spaces. That's my bet, I'm all in; and all out!</DIV>
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<DIV>Mike</DIV> <BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Frank Mixson <frank at time-lineproductions.com><BR>To: NeOhioPal List <neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com><BR>Sent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:59:04 -0800 (PST)<BR>Subject: Re: [NEohioPAL]Interesting read: is the web killing the newspaper industry?<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Good stuff, Johnny, and I agree with you.</DIV>
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<DIV>Yea... 24 news.. and local news 'magazine', like wuab's action news, I think are more of a culprit than the net.. People see a headline on the net, and that usually leads them to the TV for the 'full' story. </DIV>
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<DIV>I liken local tv news to 'magazines' because of its 'slick' format and inclusion of opinions thinly veiled as objective and fair. The inclusion of product advertising as 'news' stories, is another irritating aspect of the current nature of journalism...They're called 'advertorials'. This is true across media types... print or broadcast. We'll see a lot more of this as more and more of the media outlets (tv, print, and radio) are controlled by fewer and fewer people. The laws(FCC) used to not allow a company to own mutliple media companys in the same market, to insure non partisan coverage.. But that's changed a lot, hasn't it? Most of us haven't even noticed... To me its doesn't matter too much where you get your news for those reasons. There is little integrity in any of it... </DIV>
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<DIV>I've seen this coming for a long time too. I don't think newspapers will totally go away, but they're going to have to change a lot; downsize, find niche markets etc. They are more print publications now than ever before. Nothing will ever replace the feeling of a magazine or a book in your hand. They're going to just have to rethink they're whole mission...</DIV>
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<DIV>The PD's removal of the local arts announcement section is yet another short sighted poor move by them,and that seems to be the norm in this town.. They think supporting the bigger productions from out of town is the answer... but there's so much grass roots art in Cleveland, that goes unnoticed an uncovered, its an industry waiting to happen.. Especially in the music community. Its just crazy...</DIV>
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<DIV>Okay, now pay up!</DIV>
<DIV>That'll cost you 2 cents..</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><EM>Johnny Wu <johnny at mdifilm.com></EM></STRONG> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">2 years ago when I attended the PD's art meeting, I voiced my concern<BR>via email to PD's CEO on this, that the internet is one of the reason<BR>why paper subscription and advertisement sales were decreasing:<BR>everything written in PD can be found on the internet so I don't need to<BR>buy a copy of the newspaper and I can get the news onl ine or go to<BR>www.cnn.com, and that all the discounted coupons can be found online as<BR>well or sales info, etc. I didn't get any respond, perhaps I was not<BR>being heard... But now there are a lot of people stating the same,<BR>including this article from winxpnews. It echoes a bit of my concern<BR>then, I think newspapers should re-consider their strategy to make<BR>internet work on their favor not slowly 'taking' the resource away from<BR>it.<BR><BR>Johnny<BR><BR>--------------- <BR><BR>Is the Web Killing the Newspaper Industry? <BR>http://www.wxpnews.com/?id=205 <BR><BR><BR>Fifteen years ago, I couldn't have imagined not subscribing to the local<BR>newspaper. Waiting for the paper to come each day was an important part<BR>of life when I was growing up.<BR><BR>Not anymore. I still read the Dallas Morning News every day, as I have<BR>since childhood, but I don't have to wait for it to be delivered all at<BR>once; now the stories are updated as they occur. I don't have to go o ut<BR>in a downpour to get them, and I don't have to deal with throwing away<BR>stacks of newsprint every week (on the downside, I don't have a bunch of<BR>free packing material sitting around when I want to box up something<BR>fragile, either). I now read my news on the Web, and I'm not limited to<BR>my local newspaper. I read several major city and specialty dailies, and<BR>the only one I have to pay for is the Wall Street Journal. Ironically,<BR>the only rare occasions when I do pick up a print copy of the Sunday<BR>paper are when I'm in the market to buy something and want to look at<BR>the advertising inserts.<BR><BR>According to circulation figures, newspaper subscriptions are declining.<BR>Logically, the Web gets much of the blame. However, a closer look<BR>indicates that this is part of a twenty-year trend - quite a bit longer<BR>than the average person has had easy Internet access. Some industry<BR>analysts believe the real culprit (or at least the one that started it<BR>all ) is twenty-four hour cable news. Others say changes in the rules<BR>governing telemarketing (the means by which major papers gained up to 65<BR>percent of their home delivery subscribers in the past) have had the<BR>greatest impact of all.<BR><BR>But there's no denying that a growing number of us get most of our news<BR>from the Internet. Many newspapers have adapted and put out online<BR>versions, but some refuse to do so because they believe it will cause<BR>them to lose even more subscribers. And they're probably right; why pay<BR>to wait around for the paper to be delivered when you can access that<BR>same paper any time, for free? Generally, the decision to go online also<BR>requires a shift in revenue strategy, with more dependence on revenues<BR>from advertisers to replace subscription revenue. That can lead to other<BR>problems. I'm annoyed by the popup ads on the Dallas paper's Web site -<BR>but not annoyed enough to stop reading the online version. I figure it's<BR>the price I pay instead of a subscription (although I'd be willing to<BR>pay a small fee for online access without the popups).<BR><BR>Of course, Internet users don't have to rely on just the "official" news<BR>outlets for information anymore, either. The popularity of blogging has<BR>made it possible for anyone to become a publisher and disseminate his or<BR>her version of the news, including stories that would never be picked up<BR>by the commercial media.<BR><BR>Another advantage of Internet-based news is that I can set up<BR>notifications so I'll get emailed messages about breaking news from<BR>various news outlets or about specified subjects or use RSS to keep up<BR>with new articles posted to blogs or other Web sites. And with a Pocket<BR>PC phone equipped with unlimited data access, you can get your Internet<BR>news anywhere you happen to be, at any time.<BR><BR>News stories aren't the only area where the traditional newspapers are<BR>losing out to the Internet, either. The class ified ads used to be a<BR>significant source of revenue, and the primary way people bought and<BR>sold personal property, used automobiles and real estate. Now Internet<BR>outlets such as Craig's List, eBay, Yahoo Classifieds, and new services<BR>being started up by Google (GoogleBase) and Microsoft (Windows Live<BR>Classifieds, codenamed Fremont) are taking over that function. Some of<BR>these (such as eBay) charge you fees to sell items. Others don't. The<BR>free services are supported by online advertising, but unlike on many of<BR>the news Web sites, the ads aren't intrusive and don't interfere with<BR>the usability of the sites.<BR><BR>I recently had two houses in the DFW area that I wanted to sell on a "by<BR>owner" basis. I first looked to the Dallas Morning News classified<BR>section, and discovered it would cost me $53 to place a three line ad to<BR>run for one weekend (Friday, Saturday and Sunday) in the print edition,<BR>and $16 for each additional line. Or I could spen d $99 for a 60 day ad<BR>(the minimum) in the online edition.<BR><BR>eBay would charge me a percentage of the selling price, which would add<BR>up to about $1375 - but only if and when it sold (still thousands of<BR>dollars less than I'd have had to pay a real estate agent to list the<BR>house on MLS).<BR><BR>However, I didn't really want to pay that much, either. So I turned to<BR>Craig's list (www.craigslist.com). I put two separate ads on their<BR>Dallas/Ft. Worth site, for no cost. Each ad was over fifteen lines,<BR>giving all the details I could about the property, and I was able to<BR>include four photos of each house in its ad. Within a couple of weeks<BR>I'd had dozens of calls and had buyers for both houses.<BR><BR>Despite the fact that these online options are replacing many newspaper<BR>functions, I figure that as long as there are bird cages to be lined,<BR>newspapers will never become completely obsolete . What about you? Do<BR>you think the Web is killing the newspap er industry - or is it only<BR>changing it? Have you let your subscriptions to print papers lapse? Or<BR>are you one of those folks who doesn't want to read the news onscreen?<BR>Do you see any advantage to paying the hefty fees charged by the<BR>newspapers for classified ads, or are free classified services the wave<BR>of the future? Let us know at feedback at wxpnews.com. <BR><BR><BR> <BR>Johnny K. Wu<BR> <BR>===============<BR>Cleveland IndieClub<BR>Monthly free filmmaking networking group<BR>www.clevelandindieclub.com<BR> <BR>Media Design Imaging<BR>www.mdifilm.com<BR>216.373.3278<BR> <BR>President (2004 & 2005)<BR>Organization of Chinese Americans of Greater Cleveland<BR>www.ocagc.org<BR> <BR>Wu Family Martial Arts<BR>2800 years of Family System<BR>www.wujiaquan.com<BR><BR><BR>______________________________________<BR>Disney's "BEAUTY AND THE BEAST" at Beck Center 12/2-12/31. 216-521-2540. http://www.fredsternfeld.com/beautyandthebeast.htm<BR>_______________________________________<BR>Fairmount Performing Arts Camp registration now open. Details @ http://www.fairmountcenter.org/fpac06/index.htm<BR>___________________________________<BR>There is a sister site to this list called the "NEoPAL Bulletin Board." Occasionally when "hot-button" discussions go on more than a day or two, the bulletin board is used. The Neopal bulletin board also has some other terrific features, like a searchable database for you to put your personal information, a place to post pictures and a chat room with a nightly 11pm gathering to discuss hot topics: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neopal/<BR>_______________________________________<BR>Disclaimer: The facts and/or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the person in the "from" or "reply-to" header. The fact that this message is posted should in no way be taken as an endorsement by the administrator of this list. Subscr ibers should perform due diligence for all goods, services and activities promoted on NEohioPAL.<BR><BR>NEohioPAL mailing list<BR>NEohioPAL at lists.fredsternfeld.com<BR>http://lists.fredsternfeld.com/mailman/listinfo/neohiopal<BR>http://www.fredsternfeld.com<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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