[NEohioPAL]Re: [clevelandfilmmaking] This whole Ken Burns controversy is idiotic

Christopher Fortunato judgehand2003a at yahoo.com
Wed Apr 11 14:39:45 PDT 2007


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I don;t like doing history by balkanization.  If that's the case, then most of Ken Burns interviewees would have to be with Italians, since the largest group of GIs were Italian.
   
  That is just politicization by professional activists.  Sort of reminds me of the sanitization the Smithsonian had of the Enola Gay exhibition.  It cheapened the glorious end to World War II.

Nicholas DAmico <nick_d2003 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
          Time for me to weigh in on this. You guys that know me know that I can't resist sticking my unasked for opinion into a subject like this.

I read with interest and then disgust an article in the paper about the moronic stink being made about Ken Burns' new documentary about WWII not having any examples of Hispanic vets talking about their experiences. It was pointed out quite clearly that the doc incorporates the reminicences of vets from four towns and four towns only, a cross section of the United States as it was at the time. Now somone gets their panties in a twist because ALL ehtnic groups don't recieve equal time?! 

This is what my Grandfather used to term "bullshit." The second ANY filmmaker, documentarian, author, songwriter, or whoever has to bend over backwards and change the vision of their project just to suit the needs of someone that decided to take offense at the exclusion of their ethnic group. no matter what ethnic group that may be, the creative process ceases being creative and becomes regulated, and that flies in the face of creativity. If you're so fucking concerned about people finding out what the Hispanic experience in WWII was, MAKE YOUR OWN DAMN DOCUMENTARY ABOUT IT! DON'T FORCE YOUR VISION ON SOMEONE ELSE!!!

When you get right down to it, this doc is the property of Mr. Burns, and having seen his previous documentaries, I am positive this will be a facinating, touching, heartbreaking, amazing experience, as all of his work has been. If you want face time on the TV and in the papers, do something to earn it rather than protesting something that's none of your business.

And how was YOUR day?

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<div>I don;t like doing history by balkanization.  If that's the case, then most of Ken Burns interviewees would have to be with Italians, since the largest group of GIs were Italian.</div>  <div> </div>  <div>That is just politicization by professional activists.  Sort of reminds me of the sanitization the Smithsonian had of the Enola Gay exhibition.  It cheapened the glorious end to World War II.<BR><BR><B><I>Nicholas DAmico <nick_d2003 at sbcglobal.net></I></B> wrote:</div>  <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><!-- Network content --><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~-->  <DIV id=ygrp-mlmsg style="WIDTH: 655px; POSITION: relative">  <DIV id=ygrp-msg style="PADDING-RIGHT: 15px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; Z-INDEX: 1; FLOAT: left; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; WIDTH: 490px; PADDING-TOP: 0px"><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~-->  <DIV id=ygrp-text>  <div>Time for me to weigh in on this. You guys that know me
 know that I can't resist sticking my unasked for opinion into a subject like this.<BR><BR>I read with interest and then disgust an article in the paper about the moronic stink being made about Ken Burns' new documentary about WWII not having any examples of Hispanic vets talking about their experiences. It was pointed out quite clearly that the doc incorporates the reminicences of vets from four towns and four towns only, a cross section of the United States as it was at the time. Now somone gets their panties in a twist because ALL ehtnic groups don't recieve equal time?! <BR><BR>This is what my Grandfather used to term "bullshit." The second ANY filmmaker, documentarian, author, songwriter, or whoever has to bend over backwards and change the vision of their project just to suit the needs of someone that decided to take offense at the exclusion of their ethnic group. no matter what ethnic group that may be, the creative process ceases being creative and becomes
 regulated, and that flies in the face of creativity. If you're so fucking concerned about people finding out what the Hispanic experience in WWII was, MAKE YOUR OWN DAMN DOCUMENTARY ABOUT IT! DON'T FORCE YOUR VISION ON SOMEONE ELSE!!!<BR><BR>When you get right down to it, this doc is the property of Mr. Burns, and having seen his previous documentaries, I am positive this will be a facinating, touching, heartbreaking, amazing experience, as all of his work has been. If you want face time on the TV and in the papers, do something to earn it rather than protesting something that's none of your business.<BR><BR>And how was YOUR day?<BR><BR>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<BR><BR></div></DIV><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--><SPAN style="COLOR: white" width="1">__._,_.___</SPAN> <!-- Start the section with Message In topic -->  <DIV id=ygrp-actbar><SPAN class=left><A
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