[NEohioPAL]Smoking ban in public
Justin Tatum
justin_tatum at hotmail.com
Mon Apr 16 08:56:30 PDT 2007
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Well put, and I would like to add to the fact that I have never come into c=
ontact with any director that "forced" an actor to smoke onstage without th=
em both coming to an agreement. It is a choice that the actor makes for hi=
s/her character unless it is specifically referenced in the play.
=20
Cigarettes have maintained a warning since back before, I don't even know w=
hen, that they cause death. This shouldn't strike anyone as "new" news. B=
ut I am inclined to agree with Tony on the free speech issue, if we allow t=
he government to start governing what we are allowed to put into our bodies=
, i.e. Trans Fats also, then how long is it until they start trying to make=
other decisions for us?Justin Tatum
From: mrsprosty at hotmail.comTo: neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.comSubject: [N=
EohioPAL]Smoking ban in publicDate: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:18:29 -0400
I do dislike most arguements on neopal, but this one is kinda mind-boggling=
.
I'm sure Nat King Cole, Sammy Davis Jr., John Wayne, etc. etc. would not ca=
re to discuss the subject with Tony Brown. But, they might. And if they d=
id- I do not know what they would say, but I'd be all ears (as my fingers r=
ested on the Ouija Board...) But, I'm sure, we have no idea what they woul=
d say on the subject. One thing you can be sure of- you are putting words =
in the mouths of some of the greatest entertainers of our time. Which isn'=
t a very nice thing to do, and it doesn't make for a concrete arguement.
As far as Joe Eszterhas (he's a fellow Clevelander, let's try and spell his=
name right for respectful purposes), while he might rethink his position n=
ow on smoking, I doubt he'd go back and take a cigarette out of Sharon Ston=
e's hand for the famous interrogation scene in Basic Instinct. In fact, sm=
oking was used as a characteristic trait in the movie detailing the "danger=
" the Shooter (Michael Douglas' character) was getting into. He was "clean=
ing up his act" by "quitting drinking, smoking, women", and then he meets C=
atherine and takes up "drinking, smoking, and women". =20
Smoking is a character trait used to show apathy, resilience, and control (=
among other things). As far as smoking on stage goes- I really think it's =
a bad choice to do it in a room with little to no space for the smoke to go=
, other than the audience... I wouldn't want someone to light a cigarette =
in a small room where it's just me and them, and I'd expect to not have to =
pay for that type of treatment.
But, to ban smoking from somewhere, say, The Drury Theatre at the Cleveland=
Play House is just a little... extreme, wouldn't you think? The fact is-=
you are more likely to get cancer from the sun walking into the show, than=
you are breathing the dissipated cigarette smoke that reaches you in the f=
ront row. (Just because you can smell the cigarette doesn't mean you are b=
reathing in the second hand smoke...)
If a production company can find a better way to have the actor "feign" cig=
arette smoking, but still have it so I am not taken out of the play- more =
power to them, and I would be highly impressed with the ruse. But, usually=
, I sit back and go: "Why is she not lighting the cigarette? Oh, the actre=
ss must not be a smoker... I'm watching a play." It takes me out of it. =
=20
We, as theatrical artists, are supposed to create a world on stage. You wa=
nt to ban smoking in a Parisian play set in Bohemian times? That's just ri=
diculous. They smoked then. They were carefree then. If the cigarettes a=
re not meant for anything in the play, and can be cut without losing the pl=
aywrights' or directors' vision- hey, I'm all for it.
But, if it's meant to be a character trait, a beat, a reflection on the wor=
ld at that time- just let it go. It's art. It's not supposed to have all =
these rules attached to it.
Sincerely,Matthew A. Sprosty =20
From: chuck fink <thinkfinkent at yahoo.com>To: neohiopal at lists.fredsternfel=
d.comSubject: [NEohioPAL]Re: Smoking ban in publicDate: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 =
21:14:33 -0700 (PDT)
OK=97you know what? (No, what, Chuck!?) This whole stink about smoking is g=
etting quite stale, and there=92s really no constructive purpose arguing se=
mantics, at this point. Is the bottom line weren=92t the disservice smoking=
, onstage or off, causes the majority of people who obviously care about th=
eir health, if not the stench that residual smoke causes, then there might =
be something to discuss here! I wonder what Joe Eszterhaus would have to sa=
y about this stupid moot debate, as he is one now suffering the ravages, sl=
ow as they are, of lung cancer=97and one who has fought vigorously to ban s=
moking onscreen=97when viewers only get the sense of smoke. So, there must =
be more to it, dont=92cha think!? C=92mon, folks=85 isn=92t this just the s=
tupidest waste of space, debating this issue, when the proof has been well =
established? I=92m tired of this already! Hold an f=92in unlit cigarette on=
stage, if you must, for effect=97or else puff on a gum cigarette with the f=
unky powder blowing, where the only contact buzz one stands to get, is a su=
gar buzz! Enough, already=97ya hear me!? Ridiculous already, isn=92t it!? (=
Yes, Chuck=97it is!) The glam days of Hollywood are gone! Sammy Davis, Jr. =
(succumbed to throat cancer), John Wayne (lung cancer), Dana Reeve (victim =
by chance), Robert Preston, Forrest Tucker, Warren Zevon, Peter Jennings, Y=
ul Brenner, Andy Kaufman, Nat King Cole=97that merry old soul, etc., etc. I=
f you could go back and ask them if they=92d change anything, subsequent to=
their diagnoses, I=92m sure they=92d have a few select words for our frien=
d, Mr. Brown! Yeah, there=92s a reason why this issue gets, and has gotten =
the attention it has=85 that=92s because the sensibilities of the majority,=
out weigh the grasping at straws mentality of the shallow minority! Get wi=
th the times, folks=97or else, just retreat to your own f=92in island, and =
smoke to your lungs content!! Read up, Tony boy=97there=92s a lot of food f=
or thought out there=97the proof of which is in the pudding=97or smoke, if =
you will. Passionate about this, am I? Uh, just a little bit. Can we move n=
ow... please!?!?!=20
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Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out=20
new cars at Yahoo! Autos.=20
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<body>Well put, and I would like to add to the fact that I have never come =
into contact with any director that "forced" an actor to smoke onstage=
without them both coming to an agreement. It is a choice that the ac=
tor makes for his/her character unless it is specifically referenced in the=
play.<BR>
<BR>
Cigarettes have maintained a warning since back before, I don't even know w=
hen, that they cause death. This shouldn't strike anyone as "new=
" news. But I am inclined to agree with Tony on the free speech issue=
, if we allow the government to start governing what we are allowed to put =
into our bodies, i.e. Trans Fats also, then how long is it until they start=
trying to make other decisions for us?<BR><BR><FONT face=3DTahoma,Helvetic=
a,Sans-Serif><STRONG>Justin Tatum</STRONG></FONT><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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From: mrsprosty at hotmail.com<BR>To: neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com<BR>Sub=
ject: [NEohioPAL]Smoking ban in public<BR>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:18:29 -=
0400<BR><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3DEC_RTE>
I do dislike most arguements on neopal, but this one is kinda mind-boggling=
.<BR>
I'm sure Nat King Cole, Sammy Davis Jr., John Wayne, etc. etc. would not ca=
re to discuss the subject with Tony Brown. But, they might. And=
if they did- I do not know what they would say, but I'd be all ears (=
as my fingers rested on the Ouija Board...) But, I'm sure, we ha=
ve no idea what they would say on the subject. One thing you can be s=
ure of- you are putting words in the mouths of some of the greatest enterta=
iners of our time. Which isn't a very nice thing to do, and it doesn'=
t make for a concrete arguement.<BR>
As far as Joe Eszterhas (he's a fellow Clevelander, let's try and spell his=
name right for respectful purposes), while he might rethink his position n=
ow on smoking, I doubt he'd go back and take a cigarette out of Sharon Ston=
e's hand for the famous interrogation scene in Basic Instinct. In fac=
t, smoking was used as a characteristic trait in the movie detailing the "d=
anger" the Shooter (Michael Douglas' character) was getting into. He =
was "cleaning up his act" by "quitting drinking, smoking, women", and then =
he meets Catherine and takes up "drinking, smoking, and women". <BR>
Smoking is a character trait used to show apathy, resilience, and control (=
among other things). As far as smoking on stage goes- I really t=
hink it's a bad choice to do it in a room with little to no space for the s=
moke to go, other than the audience... I wouldn't want someone to lig=
ht a cigarette in a small room where it's just me and them, and I'd expect =
to not have to pay for that type of treatment.<BR>
But, to ban smoking from somewhere, say, The Drury Theatre at the Cleveland=
Play House is just a little... extreme, wouldn't you think? Th=
e fact is- you are more likely to get cancer from the sun walking into the =
show, than you are breathing the dissipated cigarette smoke that reaches yo=
u in the front row. (Just because you can smell the cigarette doesn't=
mean you are breathing in the second hand smoke...)<BR>
If a production company can find a better way to have the actor "feign=
" cigarette smoking, but still have it so I am not taken out of =
the play- more power to them, and I would be highly impressed with the ruse=
. But, usually, I sit back and go: "Why is she not lighting the cigar=
ette? Oh, the actress must not be a smoker... I'm watching a pl=
ay." It takes me out of it. <BR>
We, as theatrical artists, are supposed to create a world on stage.&nb=
sp; You want to ban smoking in a Parisian play set in Bohemian times?&=
nbsp; That's just ridiculous. They smoked then. They were caref=
ree then. If the cigarettes are not meant for anything in the play, a=
nd can be cut without losing the playwrights' or directors' vision- he=
y, I'm all for it.<BR>
But, if it's meant to be a character trait, a beat, a reflection on the wor=
ld at that time- just let it go. It's art. It's not supposed to=
have all these rules attached to it.<BR>
Sincerely,<BR>Matthew A. Sprosty<BR> <BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>From: <I>chuck fink <thinkfinkent at yahoo.com></I=
><BR>To: <I>neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com</I><BR>Subject:&nb=
sp; <I>[NEohioPAL]Re: Smoking ban in public</I><BR>Date: <I=
>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:14:33 -0700 (PDT)</I><BR>
<DIV></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3DEC_MsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>OK=97you =
know what? (No, what, Chuck!?) This whole stink about smoking is getting qu=
ite stale, and there=92s really no constructive purpose arguing semantics, =
at this point. Is the bottom line weren=92t the disservice smoking, onstage=
or off, causes the majority of people who obviously care about their healt=
h, if not the stench that residual smoke causes, then there might be someth=
ing to discuss here! I wonder what Joe Eszterhaus would have to say about t=
his stupid moot debate, as he is one now suffering the ravages, slow as the=
y are, of lung cancer=97and one who has fought vigorously to ban smoking on=
screen=97when viewers only get the sense of smoke. So, there must be more t=
o it, dont=92cha think!? C=92mon, folks=85 isn=92t this just the stupidest =
waste of space, debating this issue, when the proof has been well establish=
ed? I=92m tired of this already! Hold an f=92in unlit cigarette onstage, if=
you must, for </DIV>effect=97or else puff on a gum cigarette with the funk=
y powder blowing, where the only contact buzz one stands to get, is a sugar=
buzz! Enough, already=97ya hear me!? Ridiculous already, isn=92t it!? (Yes=
, Chuck=97it is!) The glam days of Hollywood are gone! <SPAN id=3DEC_lw_117=
6696585_0 style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Sammy Davis, Jr</SPAN=
>. (succumbed to throat cancer), <SPAN id=3DEC_lw_1176696585_1 style=3D"BOR=
DER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">John Wayne</SPAN> (lung cancer), <SPAN id=
=3DEC_lw_1176696585_2 style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Dana Reev=
e</SPAN> (victim by chance), <SPAN id=3DEC_lw_1176696585_3 style=3D"BORDER-=
BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Robert Preston</SPAN>, Forrest Tucker, <SPAN id=
=3DEC_lw_1176696585_4 style=3D"BACKGROUND: none transparent scroll repeat 0=
% 0%; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Warren Zevon</SPAN>, <SPAN id=3DEC=
_lw_1176696585_5 style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Peter Jennings=
</SPAN>, Yul Brenner, Andy Kaufman, <SPAN id=3DEC_lw_1176696585_6 style=3D"=
BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Nat King Cole</SPAN>=97that merry old so=
ul, etc., etc. If you could go back and ask them if they=92d change anythin=
g, subsequent to their diagnoses, I=92m sure they=92d have a few select wor=
ds for our friend, Mr. Brown! Yeah, there=92s a reason why this issue gets,=
and has gotten the attention it has=85 that=92s because the sensibilities =
of the majority, out weigh the grasping at straws mentality of the shallow =
minority! Get with the times, folks=97or else, just retreat to your own f=
=92in island, and smoke to your lungs content!! Read up, Tony boy=97there=
=92s a lot of food for thought out there=97the proof of which is in the pud=
ding=97or smoke, if you will. Passionate about this, am I? Uh, just a littl=
e bit. Can we move now... please!?!?! </FONT>
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