[NEohioPAL] Libraries

Thu Jun 25 08:17:56 PDT 2009

Yes, let's take an extreme example and construct an entire,
long-reaching policy around it. Not only is that faulty logic, it's
also the sort of 'one size fits all' laws that helped create the
problem. If a drunk football player can kill a man with his vehicle
and not see a day of jail, then someone with a physical addiction can
be siphoned off to treatment, repeatedly if necessary, and still save
the taxpayers an incredible amount of money.

>From your comments, I'm inferring you assume this to be a 'liberal'
stance. Last time I checked, fiscal conservatism and realism weren't
exactly considered to be a 'liberal' values.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Christopher
Fortunato<learnedhand at live.com> wrote:
> What do you do with the "non-violent" offender that committed his seventh
> "non-violent" offense?  You have to incarcerate someone like that as a judge
> did with my client about a week ago.  If probation and its attendant
> programs don't work, then a time out is about the only thing.
>
> Usually the person that calls for that kind of leniency does not mind that
> as long as it's not in her neighborhood.  Cleveland Heights is the Berkeley
> of Cleveland yet it has one of the strictest police departments around.
>
>> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:42:56 -0400
>> From: conspicuouschick at gmail.com
>> To: neohiopal at listserve.com
>> Subject: Re: [NEohioPAL] Libraries
>>
>> You also might want to do some research on how many nonviolent
>> offenders are currently clogging up our prison system. We are not
>> rehabilitating these individuals, nor are we protecting society by
>> keeping them incarcerated. We are simply wasting money that could be
>> put to much better use (including libraries).
>>
>> >From 1985 to 2000, Ohio increased spending on corrections at five
>> times the rate that it increased spending on higher education. (from a
>> JPI, Justice Policy Institute report)
>>
>> >From http://www.policymattersohio.org/pdf/AnEconomyThatWorks.pdf (2007):
>>
>> The state will spend $1.7 billion on the Department of Rehabilitation
>> and Corrections in 2007. But nearly a third (30.8 percent) of male
>> offenders and more than a third (36 percent) of female offenders are
>> non-violent offenders, whose most serious crime was drug-related.
>> (Black, Maureen, (Deputy Director, office of Policy of ODRC) Ohio
>> Corrections Research Compendium, Volume II, April 2004, page 10, at
>> http://www.drc.state.oh.us/web/Reports/compendium2004.pdf, accessed
>> November 2006.)
>>
>> California’s diversion program was found to save seven dollars for
>> every dollar spent (U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
>> Substance Abuse and Mental Administration, Abuse Treatments for Adults
>> in the Criminal Justice System, 2005.)
>>
>> Drug addiction is a disease, physical as well as psychological, and
>> addicts can procure far more substances in prison than out. The
>> fiscally responsible thing to do is treat them so they can become
>> tax-paying citizens and not a drain on our state's resources.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Michael A.
>> Miller<msrg-publications at cox.net> wrote:
>> > Yeah, libraries are more important than State Parks. Sorry.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Tom Burnett
>> > To: neohiopal at listserve.com
>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:05 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [NEohioPAL] Libraries
>> >
>> > You will make no impact at all unless your "Don't cut off the
>> > libraries!" is
>> > accompanied by
>> >
>> > some viable suggestion as to what to do to generate that money. Raising taxes in a down economy is a bad idea, so you're going to have to suggest which budget item
>> > or
>> >
>> > items should be cut to keep that $200+ million coming to the state's libraries.
>> > Cut
>> >
>> > Medicaid? Close all the state parks? Close prisons and put the convicts into crowded cells
>> > at the other prisons, or release hundreds or thousands of them? Cut aid
>> > to
>> > the schools? To colleges and universities?
>> > I use my library a great deal and have always voted in favor of library
>> > tax
>> > issues but, frankly, aid to the state's 251 public libraries would rank
>> > below any of those things mentioned above.
>> > On Jun 24, 2009, at 8:52 AM, neohiopal-request at listserve.com wrote:
>> >
>> >                              URGENT
>> >
>> >              ACT NOW to SAVE OUR LIBRARIES
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >    Governor Strickland proposes to fill Ohio's $3.2 billion shortfall in
>> > the
>> > state budget by eliminating $200+ million from the Public Library Fund
>> > over
>> > the next two years.  His proposal will have a drastic impact on all 251
>> > public
>> > libraries in Ohio and on Columbus Metropolitan Library in particular.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   This proposal by the Governor cuts library funding by 50% beginning
>> > July
>> > 1,
>> > 2009.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   We only have days to have an impact.
>> >
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