[NEohioPAL] Indy Feature Film Auditions

Thu Dec 10 07:54:45 PST 2009

I agree with everyone. Until you make $50K per year as an actor or even producer, you're still an amateur. It's a freakin hobby, folks. The only reason I turned my "production company" into an LLC is for the tax savings (DUH). If you want a career, move to LA or NY. To anyone who expects to be paid more than fair wage in Cleveland... BWAHAHAHA! To anyone who wants to do this for fun, as a hobby, because you love the art, because you're into it, for self fulfillment, welcome to the club. "Producers", and I strictly imply the quotes, like myself, welcome anyone who wants to have fun making a movie. It's cops and robbers, cowboys and indians. Not 9-5, or 7AM-2AM the next day for $100. We're the weekend warriors of the film industry.

With that said, I think that the "producers" around here need to stop upselling themselves. Yes I used to do it as well. "Ooooh, I won a Telly, Ooooh I won a Communicator". More like, I paid for my Telly. I paid for my Communicator, and it's funny how my best work gets less awards than my worst work. Hm...

I would love to know what Jason Tomaric did to get C.L.One up for rental at Hollywood Video stores. That's a formula that I need to have to make it big time. I think that he actually had a budget (more than a measly $10K), went to LA, showcased it, and won. How many of the "producers" around here have actually attempted to even show their stuff in LA? Most of it would be laughable, myself included. Until then, I'm going to have fun creating art. Out of my own pocket, $10K at a time, to refine my skills. When I think that I'm ready for LA, I will follow my dreams out there.

Anyone else?
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From: L H <twinkleat at yahoo.com>
To: Joseph Primes <liquidrebel1 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "neohiopal at listserve.com" <neohiopal at listserve.com>
Sent: Thu, December 10, 2009 12:38:46 AM
Subject: Re: [NEohioPAL] Indy Feature Film Auditions

I agree with Mr. Primes.

If and when film producers come from New York and LA, they will take advantage of the actors in Cleveland. Once they see that Cleveland actors don't care if they get paid for their time and work... the actors will be abused. 

Cleveland is already looked at by New York and LA as hicks.  Big film companies  throw Cleveland a few crumbs off the table and the actors say "Yes master we don't care if you pay us less than minimum wage(which is what happened with Spiderman). If people calculate the hours they spent on set and the amount of money they were paid, they will see that they didn't even get minimum wage. When Spiderman left Cleveland, the New York actors union and non-union were paid a legal wage.

When Spiderman came to Cleveland, the construction materials, the props,costumes and other materials used were not donated. They had to be paid for these things. Yes, they got some discounts, but the companies that supplied these items were paid more than minimum wage. These companies get to have their name listed as suppliers. So that they can make future money. Not pennies on the dollar...like the actors make. Some people think that they will get discovered by doing background work. That is a joke. 
Background actor is looked at like a background chair. 
If you want to be taken seriously as an actor you have to get out of Cleveland

Twinks

On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Joseph Primes <liquidrebel1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>My last comment on this subject. When I work I expect to be paid no matter what field I'm in,(Teacher, policeman or performer) and that should be the expectation of anyone in this business who wants to be taken seriously.  When  I'm booked for  a project my time, talent, and experience is what you pay for its all I have as a performer(actor) if I allow that to be
> devalued it will continue to be a work for free situation. I am aware of the indy scene in Cleveland as I have been involve in several productions. I also have worked on union projects as well. if you are serious you will develop a budget to pay expenses to complete the project and then find, raise the necessary funds.   Thats what producers do raise funds. The old cliche is quite true you get what you pay for. You can't pay your talent but the movie will make cinematic history,
> really. Its the same tired line in this town.  If I 'm  talented enough to be in your project then I'm worth the pay. Its unrealistic to ask for that type of time commitment without compensation. A weekend or a few days sure that might can be arranged if the project is something an actor really wants to do. But get in the habit of working for free and you become a hobbyiest(my word) not a professional whose work is taken seriously.
>ciao
>Joe Primes  
>--- On Tue, 12/8/09, Ethan Rosenfeld <ohioyankee1862 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>From: Ethan Rosenfeld <ohioyankee1862 at yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re: [NEohioPAL] Indy Feature Film Auditions
>>To: "Donna Williams" <donnam.williams at hotmail.com>,
>> "Joseph Primes" <liquidrebel1 at yahoo.com>
>>Cc: neohiopal at listserve.com
>>Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 2:19
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>>Wow. 
>>Pretentious, Vanity, BS, Asking too much for not enough.  Ridiculous. Inexperienced.  These are all words and phrased that
>>come to mind when reading up the details of this hellish little circus, I mean,
>>"film production".
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>>--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Joseph Primes <liquidrebel1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>From: Joseph Primes <liquidrebel1 at yahoo.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [NEohioPAL] Indy Feature Film Auditions
>>>To: "Donna Williams" <donnam.williams at hotmail.com>
>>>Cc: neohiopal at listserve.com
>>>Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 10:12 AM
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>>>How can
>>> this be considered a serious project, when there is no budget yet the expectation is to work with all amature performers giving 36 days of creative work. This is exactly why we are so often not taken
>>> seriously in the entertainment community.If  this is a serious project looking for a real chance to be picked up and distributed there needs to be  development of a budget for  talent .  We need to start being realistic about  our  film productions.
>>>joe primes 
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>>>--- On Fri, 12/4/09, Donna Williams <donnam.williams at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>From: Donna Williams <donnam.williams at hotmail.com>
>>>>Subject: [NEohioPAL] Indy Feature Film Auditions
>>>>To: "Fred_NEohioPal Sternfeld"
>>>> <neohiopal at listserve.com>
>>>>Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 9:57 PM
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>>>>Feature Film Auditions (indy)
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>>>>January 16 & January 30, 2009
>>>>1pm at Lorain County Community College
>>>>1005 Abbe Road North Elyria, OH 44035
>>>>Deferred Payment
>>>>We begin shooting June, 2010  (for 36 days)
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>>>>Family action adventure film.
>>>>For more info and audition requirements visit www.line10entertainment.com/auditions.html
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>>>>We are also looking for Animators and Crew. That info is also posted on the site.
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>>>>For all inquiries and questions please visit the website address at www.line10entertainment.com 
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