[NEohioPAL] scoring person needed - Hunh?
Evie Morris
bachtobroadway42 at sbcglobal.net
Wed Mar 9 07:30:32 PST 2011
Folks,
I do not usually get angry enough to publicly express my feelings.
However, reading that post last night after playing a 3 hour rehearsal pushed
my tired, hurting fingers to respond.
I was being sarcastic, about using CD's and downloading music. Sorry to
confuse the issue.
My initial reaction was to asking anyone who seriously composes music to
donate their time and labor for someone else's project for nothing.
I felt that was rude and demeaning to the artists and colleagues I know who
are serious composers and musicians.
Very often when people are asked to do something for free, there is an offer
of credit, a copy of the finished project for resume and experience-building, or
some kind of payment should the film fly.
No compensation of any kind was included in the post. Evie
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From: Robert Hawkes <rhhawkes at gmail.com>
To: David Seth <magicdsm at gmail.com>
Cc: neohiopal at neohiopal.org
Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 10:08:12 AM
Subject: Re: [NEohioPAL] scoring person needed - Hunh?
Why is so much of this conversation about copyright? The original post [need
person to score a movie by april 6th. unpaid. 3 main themes and 2 variations
combining 2 themes. i am just the messenger so send me your info and i will
pass it on to the director. thank you!] says nothing about stealing anybody
else's stuff.
I repeat:
Two issues here:
1. The job description is over-optimistic, unrealistic,and apparently heedless
of the compositional difficulties involved. It is indeed a huge job to ask
somebody to do for no pay. Presumably the producer has no choice in the matter.
2. Working for no pay: One might do it as a labor of love, if one were
intimately associated with the project. One might do it because the work
represents some sort of opportunity for exposure,"foot in the door", etc. And
etc. It is not an entirely outrageous idea. And certainly not worth any tax on
my blood pressure.
best to all
Hawkes
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 9:58 AM, David Seth <magicdsm at gmail.com> wrote:
To add to Richard's underlying post (at the bottom of this email), when he and I
used "The Doll Song" from Offenbach's "Tales of Hoffmann" last year, I first
made sure that it was out of copyright and then input the score and generated
sound files so that no recording copyrights would be violated.
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>I also recently responded to a NEOhioPAL post requesting a copy of music from
>Les Miz with URLs of where to buy or lease the music.
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>What I see from the post that prompted this thread is a dichotomy between one's
>proprietary interest in one's own work, and a complete neglect of sharing that
>respect for the work of others. Piracy on the high seas is still frowned upon,
>but piracy in the music world is business-as-usual.
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>Freedom of information does not mean freedom to profit from something belonging
>to someone else. There's a fascinating/frustrating article in a recent issue of
>The Dramatist by Jason Robert Brown addressing this very issue.
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>Cheers,
>Deb Magid
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>On Mar 9, 2011, at 9:35 AM, Robert Hawkes wrote:
>
>Two issues here:
>>
>>1. The job description is over-optimistic, unrealistic,and apparently heedless
>>of the difficulties involved. It is indeed a huge job to ask somebody to do for
>>no pay. Presumably the producer has no choice in the matter.
>>
>>
>>2. Working for no pay: One might do it as a labor of love, if one were
>>intimately associated with the project. One might do it because the work
>>represents some sort of opportunity for exposure,"foot in the door", etc. It is
>>not an entirely outrageous idea. And certainly not worth any tax on my blood
>>pressure.
>>
>>
>>best to all
>>
>>Hawkes
>>
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>>On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Barbara Barrett <barbara.iyalode at gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>Wow. I absolutely NEVER jump into these conversations, but this one... Is this
>>for real, seriously? I'm not sure that I'd have even been cool with being the
>>messenger on this one. I understand people needing help on projects. I've given
>>generous assistance, and been given generous assistance over the years, and I'm
>>sure that will continue. I've had to do without personally, or postpone stuff so
>>that I could pay up. I've also bartered. Sometimes it was WELL worth it,
>>sometimes not so much so. But my goodness, I sing and write songs, charts, etc,
>>and my parents paid good money for me to get a degree in music. Besides my time,
>>effort, and creative/emotional output. I agree with Evie. What makes people
>>think it's OK to just ask folks to do MAJOR WORK on short (RIDICULOUSLY SHORT)
>>notice, for free, right off the top of the conversation? There must be a missing
>>piece here... Surely the person who sent the messenger out, must not have given
>>the messenger complete information to relay... or else this is SPAM.
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>>>On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Richard B. Ingraham <rbingraham at sbcglobal.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>Just a note here:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Just because the composer is deceased doesn’t mean that use of a particular
>>>>recording by that composer is not protected by copyright. The rights to the
>>>>recording are completely separate from the rights to the composition. So while
>>>>it’s perfectly legal for me to record my own version of a Bach composition and
>>>>use it in a show, film, etc., without paying any royalties, it is not legal for
>>>>me to take a recording of the Cleveland Orchestra performing that same
>>>>composition and use it without their permission, which typically of course would
>>>>not be free to obtain.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Richard B. Ingraham
>>>>RBI Computers and Audio
>>>>www.rbicompaudio.20m.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>From:neohiopal-bounces at lists.neohiopal.org
>>>>[mailto:neohiopal-bounces at lists.neohiopal.org] On Behalf Of Evie Morris
>>>>Sent: March 08, 2011 11:29 PM
>>>>To: makers74 at gmail.com
>>>>Cc: neohiopal at neohiopal.org
>>>>Subject: Re: [NEohioPAL] scoring person needed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Scoring person? Of course you meant to say composer or at the very least,
>>>>musician.
>>>>Score a movie in less than a month? Sure, that requires no skill at all. I know
>>>>a guy who drives the University Circle bus.
>>>>He can probably do it for you on his lunch break.
>>>>Unpaid? This same issue has come up for actors in our theater community.Why
>>>>would anyone who has spent time and money, usually for many years, to receive
>>>>training to do something like " SCORE A MOVIE " expect any kind of compensation
>>>>for the time and effort they put in to sync a movie with music that connects
>>>>emotionally and artistically to what is up on the screen?
>>>> Maybe you can download some Miley Cyrus or Justin Bieber. Oops, wrong, you'd
>>>>have to pay the artists for their work.
>>>> You could visit your local library They've got loads of CD's by dead composers
>>>>and one-hit wonders.
>>>> If one doesn't have the respect and perspective to offer compensation, even if
>>>>it be post- production with barter, in kind, or real dollars, why would anyone
>>>>who has the ability, experience, and talent to score your movie do it for
>>>>nothing?
>>>>
>>>> Evie Morris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
________________________________
>>>>From:mike akers <makers74 at gmail.com>
>>>>To: neohiopal at neohiopal.org
>>>>Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 6:31:27 PM
>>>>Subject: [NEohioPAL] scoring person needed
>>>>need person to score a movie by april 6th. unpaid. 3 main themes and 2
>>>>variations combining 2 themes. i am just the messenger so send me your info and
>>>>i will pass it on to the director. thank you! makers74 at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
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