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<DIV><FONT size=4>thanks fred for your leadership ! on with the
show!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=fsternfeld@gmail.com href="mailto:fsternfeld@gmail.com">Fred
Sternfeld</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=neohiopal@listserve.com
href="mailto:neohiopal@listserve.com">neohiopal@listserve.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 26, 2010 12:09
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NEohioPAL] "to review or not to
review" REDUX - see the resultsand comments from the original poll of
2003</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: large" class=Apple-style-span>Hi
Everybody,</SPAN></B>
<DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: large"
class=Apple-style-span><BR></SPAN></B></DIV>
<DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: large" class=Apple-style-span>When Neohiopal
was in its infancy in 2003, the issue of whether to allow reviews and opinions
came up and I polled the subscriber base. Below is a reprint (I have
removed the email addresses because many are obsolete) of that poll, the
results, and comments from the subscribers. </SPAN></B></DIV>
<DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: large"
class=Apple-style-span><BR></SPAN></B></DIV>
<DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: large" class=Apple-style-span>AGAIN, THIS WAS
ORIGINALLY SENT OUT TO NEOHIOPAL IN 2003.</SPAN></B></DIV>
<DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: large"
class=Apple-style-span><BR></SPAN></B></DIV>
<DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: large" class=Apple-style-span>Enjoy
...</SPAN></B></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Yes (keep the
reviews) --</SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> 167</SPAN></STRONG></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">No (get rid
of the reviews) --</SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> 59</SPAN></STRONG></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><EM><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: red">SO, REVIEWS OF ALL
KINDS WILL STAY A PART OF
THE NEohioPAL SCOPE.</SPAN></B></EM></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">The
comments were varied and instructive and I have included many (with
permission of the authors) at the end of this
e-mail. </SPAN></STRONG></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><EM><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: green">NEohioPAL Mission
Statement:</SPAN></B></EM><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: green"> </SPAN></STRONG></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: green; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The
Northeast Ohio Performing Arts List exists: (in random order)</SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: green; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">1)
to promote cooperation & support within the performing arts
community</SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: green; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">2)
to promote free discussion of our work by providing a forum for critical
opinion and educational essays</SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: green; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">3)
to provide arts organizations and individual artists an easy way to
promote their events thereby making the whole performing arts community
immediately aware of opportunities.</SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Here are some "rules" that
should help each of you remain satisfied with the content of
NEohioPAL...</SPAN></STRONG></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">1) All
reviews will be clearly marked with the word "review" in the subject
line. That way those of you who don't want to read them can delete them
without opening. I will continue to forward all of Roy Berko's
reviews. If other professional critics (defined as someone hired by the media
to review) decide to post to the list, those will be forwarded as well. If you
are seeking reviews, you can easily access them on-line by going to these
websites: The Plain Dealer -- <A
href="http://www.cleveland.com/">www.cleveland.com</A>, The Cleveland
Scene -- <A
href="http://www.clevescene.com/">www.clevescene.com</A>, The
Cleveland Free Times -- <A
href="http://www.freetimes.com/">www.freetimes.com</A>, The Cleveland
Jewish News -- <A
href="http://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/">www.clevelandjewishnews.com</A>.
There may be others, but I am not aware of them.</SPAN></STRONG></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">2) All of
Jeff Holland's "Ike and Mike" reviews will be prefaced in the subject line
with: 'Mike & Ike satirical review of.....'
That way those of you who don't want to read them can delete them without
opening.</SPAN></STRONG></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">3) All
personal reviews, editorials, commentary, etc. should be clearly
marked as such in the subject line: A few
examples.....</SPAN></STRONG><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><BR><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
"My Opinion of....."</SPAN></STRONG><BR><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
"Personal Review of...."</SPAN></STRONG><BR><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
"Personal Opinion of..."</SPAN></STRONG><BR><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">or something else that makes it
clear that the content is solely the opinion of the writer. That way
those of you who don't want to read them can delete them without opening. Up
to this point, the posting of these kinds of messages has been minimal. If
they increase significantly I will create a message board / forum
that will be linked to my website to allow for ongoing
discussion.</SPAN></STRONG></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">If
you have any complaints about the content of a message, please reply to the
poster.</SPAN></STRONG></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: red">The rest of this e-mail
contains subscriber comments about the "to review or not to review"
issue. I contacted each person to ask permission to post their
comments. If they decided to post their comments they had the option of
signing it with their name, e-mail address or 'anonymous.' If you
don't want to read the personal opinions below, by all means close this
message and delete it.</SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></STRONG></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To
those of you who participated in this poll, Thank You.</SPAN> </STRONG></P>
<P class=MsoNormal> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Warm
Regards,</SPAN></STRONG><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><BR><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Fred
Sternfeld</SPAN></STRONG><BR></SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
href="http://www.fredsternfeld.com/"><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">http://www.fredsternfeld.com</SPAN></STRONG></A></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Angry letters are the bane of any publication, including
an<BR>e-list. My advise is to ignore the angry letters, and keep posting
the<BR>reviews. Any censorship is evil-even if it's done with
good<BR>intentions.<BR>I vote yes.-Tim Smith<BR> Senior
Designer/Webmaster<BR> Cleveland Free
Times<BR> -- and --<BR> Dobama
Company Member<BR><BR><SPAN
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">Professionally:
Let freedom of speech win out and include what is submitted<BR>that is
directly related to theatre. Your readers can press the delete key<BR>as
needed.<BR><BR>Personally: I am not thrilled about the personal reviews
as stand alone<BR>e-mails. I would prefer that if reviews were used (only by
theatres<BR>performing that show) that they be used in conjunction with the
details<BR>regarding the run, tickets, etc. If I want to read a review, I can
pick up<BR>a reputable paper and read the review of the professional critic on
staff.<BR><BR>Sandra Emerick<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">Yes
- I have come to know which reviews I want to read and which not-the same as I
know by the subject which messages I read and which I don't. Thanks for
your work on this list, Fred-it is a great means of communication.<BR>Laurel
Hart<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">I
feel that this wonderful website should not be used for personal
opinion. However, I do believe that professional critiques provide
insights usable as a learning tool for actors and directors alike. Jeff
Holland's parodies have nothing to offer; educationally or otherwise, and I
for one would like to have 'ike and mike' discontinued. In allowing 'ike
and mike' to continue could open a floodgate of chat-room repartee that is not
appropriate to this particular website. Thank you for asking my opinion
and for all the time and effort you put into this fine
website.<BR>Anonymous<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">A
resounding yes!<BR>I am all for a nurturing enviornment, but this is show
business!<BR><BR>Andrew May<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">YES!
Keep reviews in the list! I have no other way of reading
some<BR>reviews-like Roy Berko's-without subscribing to the publications
he<BR>is printed in. Plus, as a community, if someone feels really
strongly<BR>about a production-so much so that they want to share it with
everyone<BR>on this list-I want to know.<BR><BR>If people don't want to read
them, don't!<BR><BR>Thanks for keeping up this service by the way. It's
incredibly<BR>informative!<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">if
it matters-<BR>make a separate mailing list for those who wish to receive
them. I for one would rather not have extra mail if I don't have
to.<BR>Anonymous<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">Yes,
and the people who send angry, unfair letters to Fred should be removed from
the list.<BR>Anonymous<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">I
personally enjoy the reviews, both informal and formal-I think I would draw
the line at personal comments expressed as "letters" (which I have rarely seen
here). And I feel that informal reviews should only be of a positive
nature; more in the nature of a recommendation to the list to see a particular
show.<BR><BR>I feel that it is of great benefit to see well-thought out
descriptions of productions (in fact, I have written one:)-- I have found out
about shows I wouldn't have known about other wise; and for the actors praised
in such communiqués, it is a nice pat on the back!<BR><BR>Sincerely, Lissy
Gulick<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR><BR>Let
everyone's opinion - negative or positive - be voiced. It's good to face the
vitriol as well as the nectar.. I feel strongly about this.<BR>Thomas Q.
Fulton, Jr.<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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I don't think they belong on the list. At best they're mildly irritating
- when they come in floods from certain puffed-up theaters who will go
unnamed, I feel it smacks of elitism and unnecessary bragging. We know
where the reviews are - if we want to read them, we'll find them. Just
my opinion.<BR>Anonymous<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR>YES!
Freedom of Speech should always win.<BR><BR>If someone starts spouting obvious
filth, we might want to revisit, but anyone in the theatre should have a thick
enough hide to withstand the occasional negative
comment...<BR><BR>Cheers.<BR>Wayne Turney<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">I
vote for the elimination of reviews and editorializing. I too<BR>believe in
the First Amendment. Indeed, I am a bit of<BR>a fanatic about it. On the other
hand I think what you<BR>put together with the FredWeb is something
special<BR>that has a specific purpose. As you stated, if a<BR>theatre
organization wants to publicize something from<BR>the paper...fine. But to get
into a tit for tat...is<BR>counterproductive to what I think you are trying to
do<BR>here.<BR>Indeed, Actor's Summit's hubris was in allowing Tony<BR>Brown
to review a play that obviously was not ready to<BR>be reviewed. That's why
phones were invented, to call<BR>the critic and say that 'we are not ready to
be<BR>reviewed!' Review it next week with a more jaundiced<BR>eye, but do it
next week when we are more prepared. I<BR>recall Lucia and Licia had a show at
Ensemble that was<BR>trashed because of lines not being memorized.
'<BR><BR>Perhaps you should start a web of public opinion<BR>concerning the
theatre and theatre productions. <BR>Well, that's my two cents Fred.
Thanks for the forum.<BR>Martin Friedman, Ph.D.<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR>I
DON'T think that personal opinions or reviews either + or -, by amateurs or
pro's should be posted. If people want to share their reviews,
they should send it to their personal email list, or to a message board that
we all agree to access for NEOHIOPAL. As a matter of fact, wasn't one
set up way back when? This is a terrific service. I access it for
a variety of reasons, but NOT to hear what Joe Blow thinks about The
production of Oklahoma at Chagrin Valley Little Theater or any other
production/venue for that matter. It will become un-terrific if it
becomes an on line "podium".<BR>As long as you're asking, here are the
listings that I look for as an entertainer and employer:<BR>1.
Audition/casting notices<BR>2. Meeting notices; union or otherwise
relating to the entertainment industry<BR>3. Production
dates<BR>4. News i.e.: "_(your name here) , is appearing on The
Soprano's Sunday at 9pm" or any unbiased "news" pertaining to anyone in any
sector of entertainment<BR>5. Workshop/class notices<BR>6.
Hirings, firings and other re-org's ie: "Andrew May is the new
assistant artistic dir. at The CPH" or "James Bundy is leaving GLTF to
work at Yale University"<BR>But NOT what you or anyone else "thinks" about any
of these subjects. There are newsletters, web sites and personal emails for
that purpose.<BR>That's what I think!<BR>Thanks for asking.<BR>Jean Zarzour
<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR><BR>Personally,
I don't want to see reviews. Don't look at it as censorship so much as
traffic control - we get tons of emails that are just notices about upcoming
events and that is what this list should be used for - opportunities and event
announcements - not reviews - let someone else start a "Review List" - you
must be busy enough -<BR>for what it's worth - and thanks for asking
-<BR>Anonymous<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR><BR>I
think if you post the reviews from the "professional reviewers", you have to
post the personal reviews, as well. I feel that it is the right choice. I
personally liked reading Hester's comments, and am happy to have another
opinion other than Roy Berko's! I feel that an open discourse is not only
appropriate for theatre, but the varying opinions are essential to
theatre.<BR>also, there is a little thing known as the "delete" button. If I
choose not to read the Mike and Ike stuff, all I have to do is just push the
"delete" and it goes away really easily.<BR>how dare these people send you
angry e-mails. if they don't like it, then let them leave your listing and set
up their own system. I think you should just choose to "delete" their messages
without reading them!<BR>Sheila Maloney<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR><BR>You
know, all I wanted to do was something just a little different, ,maybe make
some people laugh, and bring back some popular characters from my film
criticism days. I'm sorry if I've caused you any undue weariness.
That was not my intention.<BR>I'm gonna get one more review in before the High
Sheriff's (To use Joe Bob Briggs' term) vote to send me to Siberia. It's
going to be for "The Robber Bridegroom" a show at the University of Akron that
I am in that opens this week. What's funny is most of the cast and the
director are on the list and they can't wait for it. lol<BR>Anyway,
before the axe does fall, I just wanted to say again that I really appreciate
you letting me do these. A lot of my "fans" have subscribed to my list
that I'm building, so at least when it comes down I have another, albeit
smaller outlet.<BR>And, on the off chance that the intelligent people win (I'm
sorry, but this entire debate is stupid. However, we must listen
to the masses) I will happily continue to piss off more people and make even
more laugh.<BR>Sorry about the length of this. Guess these are my
comments to your question. I'm not going to vote either way, since
I'm part of the controversy.<BR>Now, let's just see what happens.<BR>I'll have
the review of my show in hopefully tomorrow.<BR>Jeff Holland (Mike
and Ike)<BR><BR>P.S. my one bitter gripe about this whole mess:
Jeez, you'd think theatre people would have a sense of humor. Oh,
well. k, I'm done now.<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR><BR>Reviewing
the Reviewers:<BR>In addition to my previous comments, I just want to say that
I think the "Ike and Mike" reviews by Jeff Holland are terrific. They
are witty, ingenious, and well-crafted, and provide a clean, fresh view of the
role of performing arts in our lives. <BR>Many of us have gone to
colleges and been through theater arts programs that emphasized the
involvement of the student in theater production, through acting, design,
production work, etc. Few programs, however, ever emphasize the
audience's role-it amazes me how film students will see prodigious numbers of
movies and television programs in their classes, while theater students have
to rely on their imaginations to visualize play texts in our history
classes. We aren't taught to actually go to the theater and appreciate
drama in our own programs, surprisingly enough. <BR>What I like about
Holland's reviews is that the characters in his little dramas (also a clever
rhetorical effect) give the sense of having no intellectual baggage when they
walk into the theater; they are there for the experience alone. And
that's how they comment on it, with very few preconceptions. This is a
distinctly American viewpoint on theater, and one that needs to be
revived. <BR>After reading Jeff's reviews, other reviews seem stiffly
formal, formulaic, and consumer-oriented. The "Ike and Mike" reviews to
me are a breath of fresh air, and I look forward to every one. Long live
Ike and Mike!<BR>· Jim
Smith<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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vote YES. I read the reviews I'm interested in and delete the rest,
unopened. We don't all get all of the papers or know where to look for
the reviews on the web (or have the time, for that matter). But if it's
not worth the hassle to you for all the negative mail you get, I
understand. As it is, this is a great service to all of
us.<BR>Anonymous<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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am saddened that, in this post-911 era we now find ourselves in, you
have<BR>been put in this position. for god's sake people grow up. if you
don't<BR>want to read the review/opinion - hit the delete button and stop
using Fred<BR>as a dumping ground.<BR>Evelyn Carr<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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favor including the reviews, but not the personal opinions, as this is<BR>not
a discussion list. Let listers discuss their opinions back
channel.<BR><BR>And I would not tolerate angry letters, which are, after all,
only personal<BR>opinions. Again, if your policy is to include reviews,
there's no point in<BR>venting against you when you include something someone
doesn't want.<BR><BR>And if you continue to get flack about the reviews, I'd
favor your<BR>discontinuing them altogether. You're providing a valuable
service to the<BR>artistic community, and there's no reason you should be
abused for that<BR>service.<BR><BR>Thank you for being there.<BR><BR>Carole
Clement Mentor, Ohio USA<BR><A
href="http://www.cadvision.com/sdempsey/clement.htm"
target=_blank>http://www.cadvision.com/sdempsey/clement.htm</A><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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That's a tough call. Since the whole "critic" thing is totally subjective
anyway, maybe there needs to be an opt-in forum to present those. Perhaps a
message board? I know it's more work for you if you choose that route, but
maybe someone on the list would be willing to facilitate something like
that?<BR><BR>Kathy Whitmore<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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yes! Keep it all in!<BR> Andrew B. Narten<BR>Producer,
JazzTracks<BR>WCPN / 90.3 FM<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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of all, I am always amazed at the number of people who, over the years, TELL
you how to run this service. A friendly suggestion is fine, but how about
remembering that this service is provided as a courtesy to all fellow
performing artists, free of charge. HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!<BR><BR>I
personally don't find a problem with any reviews that are public anyway(i.e-
PD SCENE etc..). I suppose if something is REALLY out of line and not
public, you reserve the right to not post it on NEOpal lists.<BR>Critics all
have their own opinions. Some have professionalism handle all shows with a
graceful tact-whether or not is a positive or negative review. Others are
crude and classless in their approach (which doesn't gain an ounce of respect
in my book) I know many times I agree with them and just as many I
DON'T. Critics are not the be all end all BUT reviews are a part of this
business and unfortunately we have to deal with them. How about if we all get
our OWN spine and decide for ourselves how we feel about productions. ITS OK
NOT TO AGREE WITH THE CRITIC.<BR>Anonymous<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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I think that reviews SHOULD be allowed in the newsletter. If
people<BR>feel that their shows have something to hide, they shouldn't be out
there at<BR>all. That's what performing is. I also wanted to say
that the purpose of<BR>this newsletter isn't to be warm and fuzzy and just
give praise, but to give<BR>critical commentary about the Cleveland arts
environment. There are<BR>discussions about all different aspects of
theater, good and bad, and if<BR>honest reviews are not deemed appropriate for
this venue, then I am not sure<BR>I want to be a part of this group. I
will go to the newspapers and free<BR>times to get HONEST reviews, and come to
this e-mail string if my ego is<BR>down and I only want powder puff
praise.<BR><BR>I praise you for allowing these reviews on your list, however I
understand<BR>if you are forced to remove them. Sometimes you just have
to pick your<BR>battles.<BR>Anonymous<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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freedom of speech....yes, yes, yes. Isn't that what art is all
about?<BR>Deanna<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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<P><SPAN
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the spirit of positivity and simple basic grace towards one's fellow<BR>artist
(something often sadly lacking in the world today) I vote for no<BR>personal
opinions or negative reviews. Criticism is essential to art, but<BR>the
context of the criticism is also important for the art to flourish.
I'm<BR>not convinced that the opinion of the general subscriber to this list
can be<BR>defined as constructive criticism.<BR><BR>As to the "free speech"
issue. If one is passionately interested in having<BR>her opinion made
public, it is quite easy these days to create one's own<BR>public forum with a
web-page.<BR><BR>Thanks for asking....<BR><BR>Becca Fishel
Bright<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR><BR>NO.<BR><BR>My
opinion is that you're very generous and kind to have organized this mailing
list and YOU DO NOT NEED ANY ADDITIONAL GRIEF from those who disagree with
someone else's opinion that has shown up on the list. This list is NOT a
chat room. If it was, I wouldn't be a member of it. Frankly, I
don't read most of what comes thru on the list UNLESS I AM SPECIFICALLY
INTERESTED based on the subject matter. I don't have time to read
everything and I will continue to do so whether reviews/peoples' opinions are
on the list or not. If people are disturbed by others' opinions, they
should not read them. Just because it's there doesn't mean you have to
give it your attention. Therefore, my NO response to your question is
based on the fact that you, as list moderator, need not have the added burden
of supervising children playing during recess. It gets
messy.<BR><BR>Ksenia<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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agree that all reviews and opinions should be expressed. Tell the complainers
to go get a life! Don't they know how to hit the delete button if they don't
want to read something. It's your website!<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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reviews & personal opinions should not be part of neohiopal. the
link thing is okay (the way you do it, i.e. for reviews go
to....etc.)<BR>thanks<BR>Anonymous<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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everyone is entitled to their opinion - you have the choice not to
read<BR>them if you don't care to. Let them submit the reviews for those
who would<BR>like to hear other opinions. (Thanks for
asking!)<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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- Keep all reviews and opinions in. I enjoy reading differing
opinions.<BR> It gives the reader an unbiased review of the show(s) in
question. I have<BR>read so many great reviews about shows that were not
worth the time or<BR>money, so if at least one other person offers another
perspective it would<BR>be appreciated. I know the atmosphere is
"supportive" but there are so many<BR>great shows that never get coverage -
and if all we read are good reviews of<BR>bad shows, it makes the unrecognized
casts feel worse. I would like to see<BR>more reviews
altogether.<BR><BR>Thank You,<BR><BR>Larry Braun <BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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would continue to send what you have been sending<BR>for personal opinions,
maybe that literally could be put in the heading so someone can delete it if
they don't want to read it, I don't feel that personal opinions need to be
sent but if it is in the heading then I can delete it<BR>but any type of
reviewer or consistent reviewer should be sent with detail in the heading so
people have the choice of reading it or not<BR>but folks have always had the
option of deleting what they don't want to read<BR>it would be the same if
someone read a review or article in a newspaper, if the author offended you,
then you just wouldn't read his review or column again<BR>and yes, it is free
speech<BR>sincere in support<BR>Anonymous<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR><BR>Because
I was at work when I responded, I didn't take the time to address another
matter, but I'd like to now. Clearly, myself and several other people
felt strongly enough about this issue to contact you, and I really didn't
appreciate that we were mocked in Jeff Holland's review for "Saturday
Night." I'm specifically speaking of his comment "That ought to be good
for another couple of angry letters." (Mine, for one, certainly wasn't
"angry.")<BR><BR>I'm sorry to see you allowing the list to be used in this
way, and that's why I think that limiting "reviews" and other personal
opinions, and focusing on the dissemination of valuable arts information
(which I believe has always been your intention), would be the best solution
here.<BR>Anonymous<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR>I
think FREEDOM OF SPEECH should be exercised on "THE LIST" and to prove it
so...I have met over 35 people thanks to a listing I put on re: JOINING SAG
and putting in my 5 cents in re: SCAM AGENCIES!<BR>In no way were those email
"OPINION" based and in fact, they were pasted from SAG.com and a letter sent
to me by my attorney.<BR>Another writer, Bobby, posted FACTS re: agencies in
his email that helped EVEN ME understand the EIC code of ethics rules re:
agent operations.<BR>I think what is happening is that the guilty parties are
feeling a little uncomfortable with the TRUTH.<BR>I am all for "POSITIVE"
listing or information that PRODUCES positive results. Thanks to my listings,
I have helped over 35 people understand SAG better and now they actually visit
my site to share positive information with me.<BR>Thank you.<BR>Mitch
Berlingeri<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR>Isn't
allowing only positive reviews a little one sided?...even if they are used by
each organization to promote their show. Art is, by it's nature,
controversial; and as an Arts forum, this list has the obligation to air both
sides. We, as artists, are aware that each review is only one person's
OPINION...whether it is good or bad. Personally, "dueling reviews"
always make me more curious to see the production. <BR>I say, let
'em all in! Not every show is a winner...if we don't experience some not
so good shows, how will we recognize the truly wonderful ones?<BR>Lenne
Snively</SPAN></P>
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vote is to keep reviews and personal opinions; I don't mind a bit and read the
"Ike & Mike" column, especially if I've seen the show. Thanks,
Fred!<BR>Pamela Sago<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR>Interesting
that you ask the question since I was wondering about that myself. I noticed
the list gets a little out of hand. My initial thought was not to publish, but
if you're going to publish the positive reviews, then all the rest should be
allowed as well. That's part of theater. People upset with them should realize
that. By performing you put yourself out there and have to realize some people
may not like what they see. What I find particularly annoying is posts or
comments that mention other reviews as if the person was incorrect in their
opinion. It's an opinion. Anyway, I guess I'd let them run. What you may want
to do, to cut down on the clutter, is put a limit on the number of posts about
a particular show or topic. It seems some folks put announcements up when
someone sneezes and it just seems a bit much. The current topic fits with this
since one of the theaters involved always seems to post opening announcements,
midrun announcements, closing announcements, reviews, letters in response to
reviews, yada, yada, yada. Good people, good shows, but the clutter is a bit
much and obscures messages from others. Anyway, that's just my opinion. And
like a review, you can agree or disagree but I thank you for letting me put it
out there.<BR>Anonymous<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR>I
think you should send out whatever is in the best interest of theater
in<BR>Cleveland....<BR><BR>And tell the people who complain about the reviews
to learn how to scroll<BR>past them. :)<BR>Anonymous</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
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seems to me that, since this is a free service you offer, and not a "club" or
organization that requires membership or the payment of dues, you should be
free to send out anything you want, within the guidelines of keeping people
posted about events, etc. in the world of the arts. If people don't like what
you're sending them, they are free to stop getting the e-mails at any time. I
also feel that people in the arts who can't accept criticism, whether
constructive or not, are in the wrong business.<BR>Lori<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR><BR>I
believe that criticism, either good or bad, is part of the business-and
therefore appropriate material for a theater-business mailing. The Indiwire
(Independent film email list) includes reviews of films, why should you
exclude it. Especially since your emails are always titled, if someone
chooses, they do not need to read a review.<BR>Thanks for asking,<BR>Joe
Ruffner<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR>I
was in the cast of "The Hairy Ape" at CPT. While we got mostly great
reviews from The Plain Dealer and The Free Times, Roy Berko had some things to
say that, though largely negative, were helpful and thought provoking for me
to read. As artists, we put ourselves out there knowing that we will at
one time or another be subject to some form of critical analysis. I
think it is refreshing to get this sort of feedback from colleagues (after
all, who better to assess our work?), rather than some pretentious newspaper
critic. You are right. This list is intended to be a means of
collective support. It is for that reason that you should consider
continuing to mail reviews. I say this because true constructive
criticism is intended to help us grow, and if we are all REALLY here to
support each other, that should be a primary goal. An idea for you might
be to designate/allow as many as 2-6 "critics". The varying viewpoints
could be very interesting. I enjoy Roy Berko's cut and dry critiques
equally as much as I enjoy Jeff Holland's light-hearted dialogues. I may
be just another idealist, but I really do think people are being too
touchy. I think that we can only benefit from seeing the world from many
different angles.<BR>Sincerely,<BR>Megan Elk<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR>Although
I see several of those reviews listed in the Plain Dealer or elsewhere, having
them listed helps those who don't subscribe to the papers. I suppose I
would vote "yes" because I've enjoyed the contradictory viewpoints from those
read in the newspapers and WHY they found the production positive, etc.
If I'm not interested, a simple push of the delete button isn't much
work!<BR>Thank you for this wonderful service and the time you devote to
it.<BR>Anonymous<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR>yes.
As a non performer (but a performer's parent) I have found myself attending
more shows because of the legitimate reviews. This list has made me
realize what a live theater environment we are in.<BR>Maybe if you have people
who submit reviews, put in the Subject: REVIEW: title, etc. that way you
know it is just that.<BR><BR>Thank you!!! Shirley O'Connor<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR>Yes.
It is, and should be, an open forum. The free exchange of ideas is what its
about. Keep up the good work.<BR>Noah Budin<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR>It's
too bad that you are getting the angry letters. It's a shame that some people
don't have a sense of humor. The 'Ike and Mike' reviews are really not meant
to be reviews - they are just humorous banter about a show they have
seen.<BR><BR>My vote is 'yes'. I say don't censor - freedom of speech should
prevail.<BR><BR>Thanks for heading up this e-mail list. I've found it to be
very valuable. I'm sure it can be somewhat time consuming on your part. I
applaud your efforts!<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Theresa Benyo<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR><BR>LET
FREEDOM RING!<BR><BR>If people don't want to read them then don't read
them!<BR><BR>I don't like half the reviews I read or at least don't agree with
them but it is the job of the reviewer to do just that review...for better or
worse. We all know that 2 people can see the same show and come out with
two incredibly different opinions! It happened twice within the past
month, see "The Interview" and "Virginia Wolf" vis a vi Tony Brown and Roy
Berko.<BR><BR>However it is not your job to censor. I complain about
reviewers and reviews as much as anyone but in this case I believe the open
forum serves a greater purpose.<BR><BR>Keep them
in<BR>Anonymous<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR>I
think you should absolutely include reviews in your emails. you
clearly<BR>state in the subject line that it is in fact a review. if
there a person or<BR>persons who do not like to read the reviews, they can
delete or bypass the<BR>mail without ever opening it.<BR><BR>further, we are
actors, actresses, singers, dancers, designers, etc. it is<BR>our job,
the job we have chosen to do to perform and display our craft for<BR>an
audience. it is the nature of the business to put ourselves in
a<BR>situation for spectator feedback. if people can't handle the
negative<BR>criticisms along with the positive, perhaps the should choose a
different<BR>field to work in.<BR><BR>thank you for the opportunity to share
my thoughts.<BR><BR>sincerely,<BR><BR>jenna messina<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR>Yes,
by all means include reviews, I don't particularly find Ike and Mike humorous,
or to my liking, but you know what? I can delete it!<BR>Judy
MacKeigan<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR><BR>I've
been a working actor in NYC for the past 7 years(Originally from NW Ohio) and
I truly enjoy all the emails I receive regarding what's going on in the
theatre world in Cleveland and Canton, etc...<BR>I happened to read the "Mike
& Ike" review of Carousel Dinner Theatre's "Phantom" and was quite
amused. I believe, as artists, if we cannot laugh at ourselves and our
craft that we take oh so seriously 99% of the time...then where are
we?<BR>There are plenty of folks out there that see plays and musicals alike,
like "Phantom", and respond similarly to the way the "Ike and Mike" script
responded. I think everyone has the right to express their opinion even
if it is an unfavorable one in the industry. It's still the truth to a
group of people. (however large or small.)<BR>Most people didn't like the NY
Times review of Frank Wildhorne's "Cival War"...but the truth of the matter is
it was an enormous piece of commercial crap that made very little sense.
I say...let's call a spade a spade. Even if my spade may be different
than someone else's.<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Joe from NYC<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR>YES!<BR><BR>This
is a great list service and recently, I have been<BR>even M O R E impressed
with the valuable information<BR>listed regarding agencies and the scams that
they may<BR>or may not portray.<BR><BR>Let me also tell you this: I have been
acting on stage<BR>for quite some time. Maybe it's just pure laziness,<BR>but
I have never taken the time to fully understand<BR>the rules of
SAG.<BR><BR>Well, a listing from a member made things much clearer<BR>for me.
So much in fact, that I did some research and<BR>they were right on!<BR><BR>So
I thank them, as well as you. Why? For allowing<BR>such postings, freedom of
speech and most importantly:<BR>a really terrific service to the acting
community!<BR><BR>Carmen Marrero<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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is in response to the question regarding reviews and opinions being<BR>posted
on the NEohioPAL Lists. I am a strong advocate for freedom of<BR>speech,
and yet I can also see how some would rather not see them. In
the<BR>theatres I have worked in thus far, directors and producers request to
their<BR>cast that discussion of reviews not take place in the theatre, as not
to<BR>disrupt or offend any company member who does not care to see
them. They<BR>also tell the cast where the reviews will be posted, for
those who wish to<BR>read them. I believe that the NEohioPAL list is set
up the same way. The<BR>list of topics that precludes the actual
information has been invaluable to<BR>me. For those people who do not
want to read those pieces that are reviews<BR>or opinions of shows, I would
suggest to them that they note where they are<BR>in the group. Then
simply bypass them, or depending on your e-mail setup,<BR>don't open
them. If anyone has a problem still, perhaps they should be<BR>reminded
that NEohioPAL is a free listing, and it's very rude to bitch and<BR>moan
about a free service. On that note, I would like to thank
Fred<BR>Sternfeld for this service, and the time he has spent in keeping
it<BR>together. In the three years I have been in Cleveland, the
NEohioPAL list<BR>has helped to integrate me into Cleveland Theatre and to
make friendships<BR>that I will cherish forever. Thank you,
Fred.<BR><BR>Sincerely Yours,<BR>Sabrina Gibbar<BR>Producer, Dobama's Night
Kitchen<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR><BR>I
say yes.<BR><BR>However, w/ regards to personal opinion "reviews," perhaps you
should set up a rule that the personal opinion has to be written like a review
or a letter to the editor, and people must be able to command the English
language i.e. be well written (sorry, I'm really punchy this
morning...)<BR><BR>I'm sorry these angry opinions are wearing you
out...<BR><BR>I appreciate your willingness to continue posting positive
reviews as pr. It really does help, especially the smaller budget
theatres.<BR><BR>I hope you are well, and Fred, I continue to support what you
are doing w/ this list.<BR>Anonymous<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR><BR><BR>Just
thought I'd throw my two cents in on this topic.<BR>First, I'm sure you know
you can never make everyone<BR>happy. Let me suggest a
compromise.<BR><BR>If there are folks who want to make reviews available<BR>to
the list members, perhaps they could post them to<BR>an independent web page
and provide that link to the<BR>list. It would mean a bit more work for
the reviewer<BR>but all-text web pages are not too difficult or
time<BR>consuming. In that way, those of us who enjoy the<BR>reviews
(like me) can go read them and the others will<BR>not be
"bothered".<BR><BR>Second and finally, thanks for the list. I live
in<BR>Canton, so many of the gig notices are a bit out of my<BR>way, but it is
good to be kept up to date on the state<BR>of the arts in all of NE Ohio
instead of just my tiny<BR>corner of it. Keep up the good work and don't
let the<BR>bastards get you down.<BR><BR>Deb Salberg<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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- For your sake, Fred, the simpler the better. I, too, believe in
freedom of speech and opinion. However, sometimes you can get too many
chiefs in the tent. If the list is kept to a non-biased display of
audition info, classes, and shows, no one can be offended or complain to
you. You put a ton of hard work into this list, and it shows. I am
a novice actress trying to get some experience in this line of work. If
it weren't for your list, I can honestly say I'm not sure I would have been
able to learn so much about the acting community and its auditions in
Cleveland. Keep up the great work!<BR>Sincerely,<BR>Amy
Annico<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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sure don't want to make more work for you, but I do not like reviews<BR>and
personal opinions on neopal. Everyone thinks their own (or
their<BR>friends') show is the greatest. A link to a review allows the
reader<BR>decide if he wants to find out someone else's opinion.<BR><BR>Joe
Kerata<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR><BR>How
awful for you that you do this wonderful e-mail list and not be shown<BR>the
gratitude what you are doing deserves! It is such a wonderful
marketing<BR>tool: quick, easy, and free, and reaches so many people.
Anyway, here's<BR>what I think since you asked for our votes. If I'm not
interested in the<BR>show, I don't read the review. Professional reviews
such as Roy Berko's are<BR>published and circulated anyway, so I don't see a
problem with those such<BR>reviews being distributed on this list. I
enjoy reading the Mike & Ike<BR>reviews because they are funny. I
think it is questionable whether<BR>non-professional reviews should be
distributed - although they are usually<BR>positive, which is great for the
theatre to which they refer, we don't know<BR>anything about the people
sending the message, so we don't really know if we<BR>can trust their opinions
or not. I think what you have been doing in the<BR>past is fine.
That is my vote. Thanks again for doing this list - it
is<BR>great!<BR>Anonymous<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR><BR>Great
question. I would vote "NO." You said to me just last week how
much the subscriber list has grown. The list of postings has obviously
grown, too. The reviews and opinions clutter up the list that much
more.<BR><BR>To be honest, I am less likely to spend time reading ANY postings
when I have 15 or more on a given day. I just start deleting. I
would love to see the list reduced to audition and performance notices
only.<BR><BR>I mentioned I thought that the postings should be left to
auditions and performances only. Let me expand upon that a bit to say
that I think there are definitely some exceptions, a good example being the
notice you put in for a dedication to Steve Sterlekar. News postings
that affect the theatre community as a whole I feel are appropriate and could
be left to your discretion as moderator.<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Patrick
Jansen<BR><BR></SPAN></P>
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I would agree that you have a bit of a problem here. All I know
is<BR>that your newsletter is terrific, a great asset to the
theatre<BR>community...and it has changed over the last month or two because
people<BR>are what?...using it for the wrong reasons? and/or using it like
email, to<BR>begin a dialogue. Clutter, I guess. The reviews don't
bother me because at<BR>least they shed light on where and when shows are
happening. The personal<BR>notices are irritating. The length of some
notices is irritating. they go<BR>on forever just pumping their action.
But I don't know how you would<BR>control all of this and I'm not sure you
should try. It is your deal so I<BR>suppose you could try to make any kind of
restrictions that you wish. In<BR>fact, here's an idea...go back into
your mind when you began this<BR>idea. What were your initial dreams and
ambitions for the site? Is it<BR>becoming something you don't like? Answer
those questions and act upon them<BR>as you see fit. If I had to vote I guess
I would vote "No" reviews and<BR>personal stuff doesn't bother me (even though
the personal stuff<BR>does.) Take care. Congrats on Saturday
Night.<BR><BR>William F. Hoffman<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR><BR>Yes,
keep the reviews. As you said, this list is a supportive environment for
the acting community, and reviews of any kind provide publicity for the shows
they concern. And as we all know, there is really no such thing as bad
publicity. Also, I feel that the sharing of personal opinions is more
than appropriate for the list. Thank you for putting it to a
vote.<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR>Jamie Hoffman<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR><BR>I
would say, Fred, that whether or not reviews<BR>are appropriate depends on
what you would define as being<BR>the purpose of the list. If it's a
discussion list, then reviews<BR>are fine. If it's a general theatre
interest list, then reviews are<BR>fine.<BR>If it's a sort of billboard for
theatre productions and theatre<BR>related products and services, which is how
it's used most of the<BR>time, then reviews are not within the scope of
that. I<BR>don't care if reviews are included, as long as they are not
negative<BR>towards a show I'm involved with -- I can provoke enough
negative<BR>feedback on my own.<BR><BR>Mike Sepesy<BR><A
href="http://m.d.sep.home.att.net/"
target=_blank>http://m.d.sep.home.att.net/</A><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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got to tell you that I am in favor of continuing your practice of allowing
reviews (any kind) to be sent on the list. People should be entitled to
their opinions. I feel that if you don't care for what the person is
saying...then don't read it. That's what the "delete button" is
for. :)<BR><BR>Jack Herman, Founder-President<BR>Tree City
Players<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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enjoy reading them all. People have the all-American right
to<BR>exercise the delete key.<BR><BR>On the other hand, Fred, it's your
list. If the headaches outweigh<BR>the benefits for you, let somebody
else start the "NEOPerforming Arts<BR>Reviews, Opinions, Kvetches, and Random
Noodlings" list. You're doing<BR>a boatload of work to keep this afloat,
so in my opinion, it's not even about<BR>how people "vote". Do what you
like.<BR><BR>- Linda Eisenstein,, <A
href="http://www.lindaeisenstein.com">www.lindaeisenstein.com</A><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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YES !!<BR><BR>If people don't like it, they can delete it. That is
why the<BR>computer Gods put that little key that says "del" on it<BR>right on
the right hand side of your keyboard. It comes<BR>in very
handy......P.S. Sorry to hear this issue is causing<BR>you
agita....it should be a no-brainer.<BR>Anonymous<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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think as the keeper of the service, you should decide. Though I<BR>also
believe one can decide not to read reviews or opinions if they<BR>bother them.
And really what's wrong with extending the scope of<BR>anything.
Grow.<BR><BR>YES<BR><BR>Eric Johnson<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR>I
am sending a definitive YES answer to your question.<BR><BR>
Artists (of any medium), being that our work is of a subjective nature, leave
themselves open to the subjective interpretations and opinions of anyone else
participating in our craft. That includes viewers, sellers, buyers,
fellow artists, critics, and the general public - in short, anyone. All
artists know the pain of criticism against what they hold dear, and dedicate
themselves to achieving. We spend our entire lives searching for our own
truth, and find bits along the way that we try to share with others, only to
be laughed at, rejected, scoffed at, dismissed, etc., etc., etc. IT GOES
WITH THE TERRITORY. If you can't handle that, then art (in any form) is
not for you.<BR> Freedom of speech is disappearing
everywhere today - the "mob" of public opinion influences everything to such a
degree that even in the arts, decisions are geared towards what is "palatable"
and "sellable" for the masses. Like when theaters do shows that have
little artistic merit, but have huge box office grosses (do the two go hand in
hand?). And I'm not just talking about the *movie*
theaters.<BR> Although I have not contributed much to this
forum (not having played organizational roles in the theater yet), I have to
say that if this forum is turned into a "touchy-feely" version of its former
self that is toned down to pacify those who have neither the stomach or
courage to pursue their artistic inclinations, then I'm not sure I will still
subscribe.<BR> Having said all that, I *do* appreciate the
time and work that is put into this list, helping those of us in the area that
want to pursue theater. It is a huge help.<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR>Craig
Thompson<BR><BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR><BR>Maybe
people have forgotten that you maintain this massive list free of charge to
us, and that angry letters are not a kind way to treat someone who is giving
us a gift for free. "yes" - personal reviews and opinions of each
other's work should be allowed on a list of this type, with at least two
ground rules in place:<BR>1) All reviews should be written in a spirit of
camaraderie and constructive comments. Several of the reviews posted
have motivated me to see the shows, if for no other reason than to compare
reactions.<BR>2) All angry letters should be directed towards the person
responsible for the objectionable material. If someone disagrees with
Jeff or Roy's opinions, they should have the guts to duke it out with Jeff or
Roy. You don't deserve to be dragged into it. To make you play "mommy"
because someone got their feelings hurt is unfair to you and an act of
cowardice on their part.<BR>Thanks for the service!! It is greatly
appreciated!!!<BR> JT Buck<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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like the words 'review' or 'personal opinion' or some other
obvious marker in the subject - that way if I'm not interested I can
just delete and not read.<BR><BR>As usual, thank you for all you do,<BR>~
Rachel Madorsky<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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COURSE keep the reviews going. YES, YEs, Yes!.<BR><BR>Free speech aside,
it is good to hear another opinion. People who are<BR>unwilling to hear
a, perhaps, differing opinion wear the proverbial blinders<BR>and can only see
from their point of view. These are also the kind of<BR>people that
espouse, "Don't confuse me with facts, my mind is already made<BR>up."
There is no growth for these people. While I usually disagree
with<BR>reviews, I will always -- ALWAYS -- want to read them.<BR><BR>Ron
Spinelli<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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As long as the person sending it in identifies themselves. Debate and
criticism are essential parts of the arts. Anyone who can't handle a
negative review (wherever it happens to be) probably should get out of
theatre. and of course, no one has to read a review if they don't want
to. I personally usually delete them. but if some want to post
them and others read them, they should be allowed. Alex J
Nine. </SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">Hi,
Fred - I vote NO....<BR><BR>...mostly because I always breeze right past the
Mike and Ike stuff <BR>impatiently and just scan the reviews for familiar
names. I think these <BR>things are definitely post-worthy, but perhaps a
separate list is the <BR>solution.<BR><BR>I also think that it will be
impossible to set any kind of guideline as to <BR>what would be accepted for
posting, once the forum is opened wide to reviews <BR>and personal opinions.
The selection/editing process is no longer arbitrary <BR>and it's a can of
worms that will land directly in your lap, I'm afraid. You've done a marvelous
job <BR>administering this list, but I don't think this will make your job
easier in <BR>ANY way. It's a headache you just don't need or
deserve.<BR>Anonymous<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR><BR>We
should not be so frail, that a negative review not be posted. BUT
certainly we should take care to insure the negativity isn't being spread by
persons not directly affected. (Some may be happy for another
theatre/performers poor review.) <SPAN style="BACKGROUND: white">Perhaps
we should find message boards for these kinds of things..Or a chat
room with designated times for people in the arts to opening discuss our
"issues"(greater Cleveland),whatever they may be.<BR>The general
advertisements are OK and easy to delete. I would like to take this time
to thank you for pulling this information together for the theater
community...:-)</SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>My
opinion is that they should not be included in the everyday content of the
list. Some of them are silly and take time from information theater
people need and want. However, for those who want to read them perhaps
there can be an e-mail address or some way they can be accessed. That
way the integrity of the main list is kept intact but people can take a
"detour" to read the various opinions and reviews.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">------------------------------------------------------<BR>If
we as artists are not strong enough to face or deal with a valid opinion from
another artist, or open ourselves to another viewpoint differing from our own,
how could we possibly truly call ourselves artists? This difference of
opinion and melting pot of thoughts and views is what all of art is based
upon. If we cannot accept a view that does not hold true with our own,
no matter how much we may personally fear it, then perhaps we are in the wrong
field.<BR><BR>-Brian Bowers</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">-------------------------------------------------------<BR>I
think that those people who don't like the reviews - don't have to read
them. It is very informative and interesting to me to read reviews and
opinions that I don't have time to look up for myself - a negative comment, or
constructive criticism, is not necessarily unsupportive. We get this
Email so that we can stay informed with what it going on, and if there is
something negative to be said, that keeps us informed too. I frankly
wish that there were more reviews.<BR><BR>I am really amazed that people find
the time to send angry Emails - if they don't like it, delete it and go do
something else. </SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">Anonymous</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">-------------------------------------------------------<BR>First,
I would like to say thank you for tending to this list serve, it <BR>is rather
impressive. I am new to the list serve (Chuck Fink and Noah <BR>Budin told me
about it). I graduated from KSU with a BA in theatre some <BR>time ago, and
have been working full time in the corporate world - but I <BR>am hoping to
become more involved in theatre.<BR><BR>Anyway - my vote is YES - I'm a "card
carrying member" of the ACLU. I <BR>believe that freedom of speech and
personal expression is the paramount <BR>right in a free and democratic
society. This is a freedom that is <BR>precarious indeed, and the arts have
always been threatened by it <BR>(Maplethorpe for example) and as a "torch
bearer" of sorts, I owe it to <BR>those around me to hear them out - even if I
am adamantly opposed to <BR>what they are saying.<BR><BR>Those are my two
cents. Again, thanks so much for being the "keeper of <BR>the list" as it
were!<BR><BR>Anastasia Birosh<BR>Cleveland Heights</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">-------------------------------------------------------<BR>I
vote to exclude from the list those that fall into the category of
<BR>personal opinion and continuing with those that are professional reviews,
<BR>published or republished. There are public forums out there for
those who <BR>wish to express their personal opinions.<BR><BR>Hang in there...
this online controversy will at some point pass... leaving you ready for the
next one! Your work is appreciated by this subscriber.<BR><BR>All the
Best,<BR>Steve FitzGerald<BR>Lakewood Buzz founder<BR><BR></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">---------------------------------------------------------<BR>absolutely
- yes. reviews are an integral part of our business -positive or
negative. Anyone who wants all theater news to be positive is in the
wrong business.
<BR>
f. mularo</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">---------------------------------------------------------<BR>yes,<BR>reviews
and other comments should be allowed to be<BR>posted on this list,<BR>in a
business such as this, we are constantly<BR>subjected to criticism of all
kinds, whether it be a<BR>professional review or a parody all in
fun.<BR>actors need to learn to laugh at their own<BR>performance, if they
cant, are they not enjoying their<BR>own profession?</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">Anonymous</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">----------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>I
vote yes. You've got to take the good with the bad. In this
business we stick our collective necks out (a lot), so you've got to expect
that heads will roll once in a while. We can take it. We're a
strong bunch.<BR>Janet Shank<BR>Fine Arts Association Theatre Dept.
Chair</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">----------------------------------------------------------<BR>I
agree that personal opinions are a waste of<BR>space and a irritation on this
format. That's what<BR>chat rooms are for. I did appreciate the
information<BR>from aftra about bogus agencies, though. I also do not<BR>like
the posting of reviews. There are so many shows,<BR>and so much to look at,
it's just a little overkill.<BR>If one is interested in reviews, one can read
the<BR>paper.<BR>Anonymous</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Overall,
yes, I appreciate personal reviews. I don't feel professional reviews
have the end-all opinion. I always ask friends for an opinion of
something they have seen. But I do feel the reviews on your service should
contain the subject line: Personal Review: (Insert name of show), so we know
in advance what it is. <BR><BR>On the other hand, my e-mail is becoming very
clogged. I find I'm deleting more and more NEohioPAL e-mails without
opening them.When I write e-mail announcements to be sent, I appreciate the
huge audience that subscribes to your service. But, as the recipient, I
often feel overwhelmed by the volume of e-mails.<BR><BR>I would prefer you
limit the service in other ways. Rather than omitting personal reviews,
I'd rather you omit, for example, high school shows, non-theatre musical
events and other things that aren't purely
theatre. <BR>Anonymous</SPAN></P>
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belief is that the PAL listing is a service designed to provide relevant
information to the community interested in the arts. It should serve as a
central address to enable those on the list to easily retrieve information
they deem relevant.<BR>As long as the "Subject" information is clear, I see no
reason why submisssions should be edited. This includes the juxtaposition of
reviews by theatres, as well as individual responses to publicly generated
reviews and comments by editorial writers in the local papers.<BR>Tact and
good sense would seem to be the measures by which PAL subscribers may
determine whether they choose to read, or delete, submissions that are
posted.<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Jeff Grover</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">YES.<BR><BR>I
fully support the posting and/or exchange of opinions within the framework
<BR>of the NEohioPAL service and appreciate the opportunity to see reviews and
<BR>opinions whether I agree with them or not (& I certainly have had
ample <BR>opportunity to be on both 'sides').<BR><BR>Free speech is a
treasured freedom and I believe we should all be supportive <BR>of it while
realizing that reviews and opinions are "just that" and should <BR>cut you a
little slack in serving as the conduit...<BR>Thanks very much.<BR><BR>All the
best,<BR>Jim McCormack<BR><BR></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><BR>As
much as I dislike negativity concerning community theater, the issue of
freedom of speech is of more concern. Unfortunately if you do not pass stuff
like that along, you could be open to a lawsuit or would have to shut the
service off. <BR><BR>I usually delete anything that I do not like anyway
which the other readers can do. If you get unfavorable mail, you should
return it to the sender to advise to complain ti the source.<BR><BR>I do
suggest that if there was something that you or your staff saw was
objectionable and you felt that something need to be addressed, you still have
the option of returning it to the author for reread it and give him the
opportunity to revise or withdraw it before passing on to us. I know
that I would seriously reread something that was returned to me before
reapproving for mass distribution. <BR><BR>Bob
Fadeley<BR><BR></SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">I
certainly don't mind reviews. I suggest that if readers don't wish to read
reviews, for them to take note of the subject header, which usually implies
that the following message is a review. Then delete it. <BR><BR>For those
posting reviews, you might request that they put the word "Review" in the
subject line. <BR><BR>Cheers, Cat Kenney</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">Once
again I can't "THANK YOU" enough for helping me out so much with this helpful
list.I feel that personal opinions and reviews should be allowed........Thanks
for asking!</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">Have
a great day,</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">Mark
A. Mazzocco</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">PS:
if you ever receive any critism of something I acted in, then delete it...just
kidding.</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">In
answer to you inquiry, I do not feel that a person's personal opinions or
reviews should be included. I try to see everything I can, theaterwise,
and don't feel someone else's opinion, however well meaning, will influence
me, one way or the other. Above and beyond all that, I don't have time
to read the stuff that I'm supposed to, let alone the rest of it. So,
since you asked....<BR><BR>Anonymous</SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">--------------------------------------------------------------------<BR> Yes,
however, I don't like to get e-mails that give me a long list of <BR>all the
shows that a person's child is in (excluding Betsy Hogg's <BR>mom-Broadway is
a pretty big deal) If I wanna know I will call a parent
<BR>personally.<BR>Reviews and critics are part of theatre. Some people
hate criticism all <BR>together and think "how dare they say something bad
about our show or my <BR>performance" Theatre is an art form. It
evolves, has shape, and should <BR>entice discussion and thought. Why do
we do theatre if it doesn't cause <BR>someone to be motivated or feel a
certain emotion or cause change?<BR>Perhaps there could be an on-line theatre
forum created for Cleveland to <BR>discuss art that is going on around
us.<BR>Anonymous</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">Yes,
reviews and opinions should be allowed because it's all part of <BR>theatre.
Everyone has an opinion, positive or negative, and should be able <BR>to share
that with others they think can appreciate it. If some people on <BR>the list
don't want to read reviews or anything they fear might be negative, <BR>they
should skip those posts when reading the list. Personally, I've used <BR>the
reviews on the list which don't appear in my local papers to decide if a
<BR>show is worth seeing or not.<BR>Thanks for putting it up to a
vote.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">Linda</SPAN></P>
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