<div>Kay, you have raised some good points, but maybe we are comparing grapes to watermelons here. All of the publications you mentioned make their business, and profits, with paid advertisements. If one of these advertisers is found to be a scam, inauthentic, bogus, the people who respond to the ads have no legal claim on the publications publishing the ad. The ad(or casting or audition notice)only serves as conveying information to the general public, or subscribers as the case may be. </div>
<div> </div><div>If you had read the disclaimer on ALL NEOHIOPAL publications, that would adequately</div><div>explain to you that there is no intrinsic responsibility on Fred and his staff to vouch, verify, authenticate any notice posted on the list. If you remember the Roman saying, "Let the buyer beware," you are implying that all of the major newspapers, magazines, and other organs that accept advertisements of 'notices' are liable for the veracity, authentication, and truth of the information in the ad. <br>
<br>Even PSA's (public service announcements) which are donated to worthy causes, are subject to error, misinformation,and it is the responsibilty of the person who follows up the notice to verify its authenticity. If anyone is liable for bad, scam, bogus, information, it is the actual person or agency that placed the ad, and it is to them that you need to direct your efforts at verification. Otherwise, call the Better Business Bureau. They have a desk specifically to handle those tupes of complaints. </div>
<div> </div><div>Martin Cosentino</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Kay Cosgriff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brendansalley@ameritech.net" target="_blank">brendansalley@ameritech.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>having just left Chicago...Performink is strictly a trade paper as is Backstage...Neopal posts auditions as well as a lot of personal information as well as reminders about openings, closing and awards.....all three have different target groups. They both list union and non-union, available spaces for performance or rehearsal, instruction even legal representation or therapist in a format....that's not what this is suppose to be about if I am understanding it correctly...</div>
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<div>If someone is going to claim to be any type of theatre practitioner whether it be actor, designer, writer, director.....it is our responsibility to "check out" who we are dealing with...I have to do that with actors and make a decision if we wish to continue. In those other cities you could never say "last weekend to see....." that would be a paid add in Performink or The Reader, Village Voice or if you had a lot of money.....the Chicago Tribune or the Times....I don't think Backstage would even accept it....this works...for its purpose......it's free and open!...."just sayin". If people feel a more structured organization is necessary.....sharpen your pencils, do a business plan and start marketing for adds.....I'll give you one for a public read of my plays. Have a good New Year!</div>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Barry Wakser <<a href="mailto:btwakser@gmail.com" target="_blank">btwakser@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:post@neohiopal.org" target="_blank">post@neohiopal.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thu, January 3, 2013 2:59:20 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NEohioPAL] debate<br></font><div><div class="h5"><br>With all respect to Marc, it is the listserv subscribers themselves who should research any casting notice or service. In other words, "buyer beware." Fred performs an invaluable service by maintaining this listserv free of charge and I am sure he has neither the desire nor the resources to investigate each casting notice posted. Now, if the members of this listserv wish for it to be a paid service and Fred is willing to hire staff to do the necessary research, that's fine. But speaking for myself (and I suspect a few others), I like the fact that anyone can post as well as subscribe at no charge. <br>
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there are scams out there that want you to pay to audition or join a casting service. People need to be diligent and do a little investigation on their own. In this day and age, it is simple enough to do a little online research not to mention take advantage of the wealth of knowledge and experience of the 5000+ subscribers to this service. Ask around. Someone will surely have experience with the agency at issue or be able to give some helpful advice. But let's keep NeOhiopal free and open.<br>
<br>Barry<br><br> <br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:42 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:elrachel345@aol.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">elrachel345@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">I respect Fred and I respect Mark both a GREAT deal. I like the idea instead of having an actor's "neighborhood watch" group, led by Mary Faktor, who I also like a GREAT deal. She always has our backs. I think we would all agree to applaud her love of fellow actors and vigilance. I respectfully agree with FRED on this topic, because his argument makes sense in terms of all he has done for our arts community, and all on a voluntary basis. It would be too much to expect that much more of his time and effort. Thank you Fred. Thank you Mark, for your passion too. I have known you throughout even high school and you are one good person.<br>
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<div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal"><font color="#000000" size="4" face="georgia, serif"><b>"<i>DISCOVER THE HUMAN ELEMENT</i>"</b></font></div>
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</span></b><b><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal"><font face="garamond, serif"><b>By: Larry Kramer</b></font></div>
<div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal"><font face="garamond, serif"><b>September 28th - October 21st, 2012</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal">
<font face="garamond, serif"><b>Directed by: Sarah May</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal"><font face="garamond, serif"><b>Winner of 2011 Tony Award for Best Revival of a Play!</b></font></div>
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<font size="4" face="garamond, serif"><b>MIRACLE & WONDER</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal"><font face="garamond, serif"><b>By: Jonathan Wilhelm</b></font></div>
<div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal"><font face="garamond, serif"><b>November 15th - December 2nd, 2012</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal">
<font face="garamond, serif"><b>Directed by: Ian Hinz</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal"><font face="garamond, serif"><b><br></b></font></div>
<div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal"><font size="4" face="garamond, serif"><b>THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JAMES</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal">
<font face="garamond, serif"><b>By: Charles Smith</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal"><font face="garamond, serif"><b>January 25th - February 17th, 2013</b></font></div>
<div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal"><font face="garamond, serif"><b>Directed by: Celeste Cosentino</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal">
<font face="garamond, serif"><b><br></b></font></div><div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal"><font size="4" face="garamond, serif"><b>THE COLOMBI NEW PLAYS FESTIVAL</b></font></div>
<div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal"><font face="garamond, serif"><b>"One-on-One" by Edward Walsh, March 7,8,9,10</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal">
<strong><font face="Batang">"The Lizard" by Carol Laursen, March 14, 15, 16, 17</font></strong></div><div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal">
<strong><font face="Batang">"Cocopelli" by Stuart Hoffman, March 21, 22, 23, 24</font></strong></div><div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal">
<font face="garamond, serif"><b>March 7th - March 24th, 2013</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal"><font face="garamond, serif"><b><br>
</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal"><font size="4" face="garamond, serif"><b>THE ICEMAN COMETH</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal">
<font face="garamond, serif"><b>By: Eugene O'Neill</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal"><font face="garamond, serif"><b>April 19th - May 12th, 2013</b></font></div>
<div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal"><font face="garamond, serif"><b>Directed by: Ian Hinz</b></font></div><div style="text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal">
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