[NEohioPAL]Re:NeOhioPalContent

Mon Jan 31 21:16:21 PST 2005

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I wanted to second Christopher Young's opinion - we hear LOTS and lots of 
gripes from folks insisting that this list should ONLY be a source of audition 
information,etc. The beauty of this very unique service that Mr. Sternfeld 
valiantly provides us with is the ability to tailor our use of it to our own 
individual tastes and interests. I for one feel like a very precious outlet for 
building community, reaching like-minded individuals, and maybe even more 
importantly, hearing viewpoints from folks who might have OPPOSING ideas, would be 
lost (or at least restricted) by limiting the content of the list to just 
"business" aspects of the business. I've gotten jobs, done casting and hiring, made 
friends, and learned lots from this list. I'd hate to see that change.

Thanks for taking the time to read this. I promise I'll shut up now and stop 
posting for at least the next week or so. ;)

Thanks again to fred for providing this service, regardless of any changes 
that may occur in it's format, it's still absolutely invaluable and absolutely 
unique.

Regards,

Ryan Bergeron

<<<<<On 1/31/2005 11:52:49, kaimei at earthlink.net wrote:
Real quick...  the nature of this list is discussion of the arts in Northeast 
Ohio.  I think Fred is right to make cutoff points for discussions,
but I hope he keeps this content within the main list as opposed to going to 
a discussion group, because many artists have valid gripes and
warnings that the others would benefit from hearing, but may never receive if 
what pertains to them exactly goes to a discussion group separate
from what they subscribe to.  If the subject line doesn't interest you, toss 
it.  All the major newspapers run audition postings for free.
NEOPAL offers something more.  I hope that doesn't go away just because some 
people's email software didn't come with the delete button option.

And as regards Tyler's comments, I'm a subscriber to social exchange theory.  
Everybody does something for some kind of return.  If it's done
well, why does their end goal worry you?

Christopher K. Young
www.shallowfocus.com

Harris Roger wrote:

> I wonder if it is possible to only receive audition notices from NEOHPAL, no
> cheap stuff for sale, no dialog about personal matters, no reviews, just
> movie, film, tv, commercial,and theatre audtions. That would be sweet!!
>
> >From: "TJC Whidden" <tylerwhidden at hotmail.com>
> >To: neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com
> >Subject: [NEohioPAL]Re: An open letter . . .
> >Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:56:32 +0000
> >
> >As a member of ANY artistic community, people should be embarrassed that
> >such a letter has to even be written. If you know of people who treat the
> >community as such and let them get away with it -- you're allowing a great
> >disservice to be done. People who would act so non-chalantly towards a
> >medium that should be cherished and lauded ought to be hung by their
> >ankles. And if you're in this for the money or fame, do porn or go on a
> >killing spree -- it's a much more effective way of obtaining such shallow
> >goals.
> >
> >Tyler Whidden
> >Playwright, Actor, Comedian, Artist

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<DIV>I wanted to second Christopher Young's opinion - we hear LOTS and lots=20=
of gripes from folks insisting that this list should ONLY be a source of aud=
ition information,etc. The beauty of this very unique service that Mr. Stern=
feld valiantly provides us with is the ability to tailor our use of it to ou=
r own individual tastes and interests. I for one feel like a very precious o=
utlet for building community, reaching like-minded individuals, and maybe ev=
en more importantly, hearing viewpoints from folks who might have OPPOSING i=
deas, would be lost (or at least restricted) by limiting the content of the=20=
list to just "business" aspects of the business. I've gotten jobs, done cast=
ing and hiring, made friends, and learned lots from this list. I'd hate=
 to see that change.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for taking the time to read this. I promise I'll shut up now and=
 stop posting for at least the next week or so. ;)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks again to fred for providing this service, regardless of any chan=
ges that may occur in it's format, it's still absolutely invaluable and=
 absolutely unique.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ryan Bergeron</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><<<<<On 1/31/2005 11:52:49, <A href=3D"mailto:kaimei at ear=
thlink.net">kaimei at earthlink.net</A> wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>Real quick...  the nature of this list is discussion of the arts i=
n Northeast Ohio.  I think Fred is right to make cutoff points for disc=
ussions,<BR>but I hope he keeps this content within the main list as opposed=
 to going to a discussion group, because many artists have valid gripes and<=
BR>warnings that the others would benefit from hearing, but may never receiv=
e if what pertains to them exactly goes to a discussion group separate<BR>fr=
om what they subscribe to.  If the subject line doesn't interest you, t=
oss it.  All the major newspapers run audition postings for free.<BR>NE=
OPAL offers something more.  I hope that doesn't go away just because s=
ome people's email software didn't come with the delete button option.<BR><B=
R>And as regards Tyler's comments, I'm a subscriber to social exchange theor=
y.  Everybody does something for some kind of return.  If it's don=
e<BR>well, why does their end goal worry you?<BR><BR>Christopher K. Young<BR=
>www.shallowfocus.com<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Harris Roger wrote:<BR><BR>> I w=
onder if it is possible to only receive audition notices from NEOHPAL, no<BR=
>> cheap stuff for sale, no dialog about personal matters, no reviews, ju=
st<BR>> movie, film, tv, commercial,and theatre audtions. That would be s=
weet!!<BR>><BR>> >From: "TJC Whidden" <tylerwhidden at hotmail.com&=
gt;<BR>> >To: neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com<BR>> >Subject: [=
NEohioPAL]Re: An open letter . . .<BR>> >Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:56:=
32 +0000<BR>> ><BR>> >As a member of ANY artistic community, peo=
ple should be embarrassed that<BR>> >such a letter has to even be writ=
ten. If you know of people who treat the<BR>> >community as such and l=
et them get away with it -- you're allowing a great<BR>> >disservice t=
o be done. People who would act so non-chalantly towards a<BR>> >mediu=
m that should be cherished and lauded ought to be hung by their<BR>> >=
ankles. And if you're in this for the money or fame, do porn or go on a<BR>&=
gt; >killing spree -- it's a much more effective way of obtaining such sh=
allow<BR>> >goals.<BR>> ><BR>> >Tyler Whidden<BR>> >=
Playwright, Actor, Comedian, Artist<BR><BR>_________________________________=
______<BR>Fairmount Performing Arts Camp: THEATRE TRAINING FOR YOUNG PEOPLE=20=
TAUGHT BY REGION'S TOP PROS -- http://www.fairmountcenter.org/summercamp.htm=
<BR>_______________________________________<BR>Disclaimer: The facts and/or=20=
opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the person in the "fr=
om" or "reply-to" header.<BR><BR>NEohioPAL mailing list<BR>NEohioPAL at lists.f=
redsternfeld.com<BR>http://lists.fredsternfeld.com/mailman/listinfo/neohiopa=
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>From Alan Tuskes" <spfx1 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  1 11:44:02 2005
From: Alan Tuskes" <spfx1 at sbcglobal.net (Alan Tuskes)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:44:02 -0500
Subject: [NEohioPAL]Regarding Bulletin Boards and Chat Rooms
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There seems to be a lot of concern over Fred's decision to start a =
bulletin board in order to clear the bandwidth up for more of the =
"business" aspects of show business in the NEOPal lists, and whether or =
not people will miss things that they should be reading. Well, with the =
Yahoo groups, you won't be missing anything. When you go there, you have =
the option to get every mail sent as an individual mail, daily digest, =
or not at all, just like this one. Only difference is you will get some =
pop up advertising, which is the compromise you pay for a "free" =
bulletin board. The NEOPal list, on the other hand, Fred pays for, and I =
don't remember ever seeing Fred ever posting a Paypal "please help me =
pay for this site" button anywhere.=20

Fred's backyard, Fred's rules. Fred looks at every message before it's =
posted, then decides whether to post it or not. We should not even need =
to discuss it. If anyone wants to discuss this point, we should probably =
do so at the new bulletin board. Thanks.

Alan

Motion Picture Special Effects
www.alternative-realities.com
phone/fax 216-226-0810
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There seems to be a lot of concern over =
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of the "business" aspects of show business in the NEOPal lists, and =
whether or=20
not people will miss things that they should be reading. Well, with the =
Yahoo=20
groups, you won't be missing anything. When you go there, you have the =
option to=20
get every mail sent as an individual mail, daily digest, or not at all, =
just=20
like this one. Only difference is you will get some pop up advertising, =
which is=20
the compromise you pay for a "free" bulletin board. The NEOPal list, on =
the=20
other hand, Fred pays for, and I don't remember ever seeing Fred ever =
posting a=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fred's backyard, Fred's rules. Fred =
looks at every=20
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not even need to discuss it. If anyone wants to discuss this point, we =
should=20
probably do so at the new bulletin board. Thanks.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Alan</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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