Fwd: Re: [NEohioPAL]I need a Surgeon - will you work for FREE???
Evie Morris
bachtobroadway42 at sbcglobal.net
Wed Feb 9 05:33:06 PST 2005
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Evie Morris <bachtobroadway42 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:32:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Evie Morris
Subject: Re: [NEohioPAL]I need a Surgeon - will you work for FREE???
To: Jean Zarzour
Jean,
Although I agree with the writer, I am speaking to you, personally, for the inexperienced (me), nonprofessional (thus far) who has no idea how to joing SAG, AFTRA......EQUITY, etc and who is intimidated by the whole process, which SEEMS very difficult and mysterious.
I did 2 commercials for Channel 19 without even thinking about getting paid because I cannot afford classes to learn all of this. My sole purpose was to get a copy of the commercial so I would be able to use it as an audition piece for a real paying gig, as well as get the experience.
In Musical Theater, where I DO have experience, it is not uncommon for musicians to accept a pit position or even a Musical Director job to get experience and build a resume. If they cannot afford four years of schooling at Berklee or CIM or CSU OR if they came through the trenches, like I did, when no one ever conceived of a woman being a" Musical Director" there was no career niche or guidelines for them to follow. They (we) charted our own course.
Although I am a strong believer in unions for any profession ( it is a genetic predisposition,)
I also feel I need to advocate for the inexperienced who may be trying to see if they have any ability, talent or desire to pursue a career in film or television.
I also agree that advertisers, while looking at their borttom line, need to hear what the professional acting community is saying and recognize their culpability in this.
In all honesty, I never intended to make a career of doing free commercials. For me it was a means to an end, to get a professionally done tape I could use, to see what I looked like, sounded like, etc.
If I offended you or any other professionals that I have worked with over the years, please accept my sincere apology, but my motivation never meant to take work from anyone. Never even thought about it from that angle.
Shalom and love, Evie
Jean Zarzour <lipschtick at lipschtick.com> wrote:
To Shelly: Thanks for speaking up. Every time I see a request for actors who will do commercials for "NO PAY" it makes my skin crawl and like you, I wonder when the advertiser will be offering their services "NO PAY". Unfortunately, until every actor, whether aspiring or part time, joins a professional union, we will always been an open target for any opportunist advertiser to take advantage of..... and there will always be inexperienced actors who will do anything to get face time on camera. Hence the ongoing problem. And I do see it as an old and ongoing problem. Until Fred started this service, the offenders were doing the same sort of business, they just didn't have a public venue like this one.
I almost don't blame the actor who hasn't yet assessed their own worth or the lay-person who just wants to be in a commercial before they die, but I do blame the greedy, opportunists who place the ads. I don't care what political, moral or constitutional slant you put on it......to the professional actor, it just plain sucks!
To the Advertisers: I realize that even if you knew that there were over 400 professional, experienced actors locally who could really use "paying" gigs, it wouldn't matter, you'd still take advantage of our less experienced or non-union community. I just wish that you knew how much dangling the "you can be on tv" carrot compromises an already vulnerable profession. And "free enterprise" aside, what a slap in the face it is to anyone who you might ask to put in any time and talent toward your effort.
To the actors who would work for "NO PAY": Even though I am a staunch union member, and would love nothing more than to see you all join the unions, I have nothing against non-union actors who choose to work by non-union pay standards......I just hate to see that there are still people who don't have those standards in place. The actor who agrees to work for free not only loses a decent wage, but also any hope for residuals (see sag.org or aftra.org for info on commercial residuals) or the health and retirement benefits associated with working as a union member. Even if you do get paid, you lose on all commercial talent deals outside of AFTRA or SAG jurisdiction. Even if you stay non-union......PLEASE CHARGE A UNION SESSION RATE!! It sends a message that actors, of any kind, are worthy people too. Otherwise you undermine ALL of our worth.
I hope that everyone reads your email Shelly. The heading may not best represent the seriousness or intention of the content. So I hope you'll re-label the subject line. It's about time someone at least "vented" as you did, even if there isn't a damn thing we can do about it.
In solidarity-
Currently Understudying 2 roles in Menopause The Musical at Playhouse Sq.'s 14th St. Theater
Now appearing as Power Woman Wednesday February 9 at 2 & 8pm
Lipschtick ®
2300 McKinley Ave.
Lakewood, Ohio 44107
Ph/Fax 216-521-3831
Toll Free 866-SCHTICK
Read an on line interview with Jean
http://www.lipschtick.com Comedy that improves your looks!
----- Original Message -----
From: Smarks7969 at aol.com
To: neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com
Cc: TRADLTTG at aol.com ; marty at schiffmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:42 PM
Subject: [NEohioPAL]I need a Surgeon - will you work for FREE???
O.K., I've had it. I've been quiet about this issue long enough.
I would like to know, in what other profession do people get asked to WORK for NO PAY? If you know of any doctors, lawyers, plumbers, electricians, garbage men..... who will work for me for FREE, will you please let me know? My life would be a whole lot easier.
Whenever good actors give their talent away to the business world, you are hurting all of us. I am talking about people who are Making Money using your image, and your hard earned talent.
If a business, that makes money, wants to advertise on TV in order to make more money for themselves, why on earth would you give away your service to them??? Will they give you their service or product for free??
If real actors would refuse to work for free, then maybe in order to get good talent, these advertisers would actually offer us some money!!! Duh - it's the old rule of supply and demand. It's bad enough that so many of you will do non - union work.
By the way, of course I am not talking about the artistic exercise of movie making or theater. We all do movie projects with our fellows for the good of all of us.
I'm talking about being disrespected and USED.
Shelly Marks
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Evie Morris <bachtobroadway42 at sbcglobal.net></I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:32:25 -0800 (PST)<BR>From: Evie Morris <BACHTOBROADWAY42 at SBCGLOBAL.NET><BR>Subject: Re: [NEohioPAL]I need a Surgeon - will you work for FREE???<BR>To: Jean Zarzour <LIPSCHTICK at LIPSCHTICK.COM><BR><BR>
<DIV>Jean,</DIV>
<DIV> Although I agree with the writer, I am speaking to you, personally, for the inexperienced (me), nonprofessional (thus far) who has no idea how to joing SAG, AFTRA......EQUITY, etc and who is intimidated by the whole process, which SEEMS very difficult and mysterious.</DIV>
<DIV> I did 2 commercials for Channel 19 without even thinking about getting paid because I cannot afford classes to learn all of this. My sole purpose was to get a copy of the commercial so I would be able to use it as an audition piece for a real paying gig, as well as get the experience.</DIV>
<DIV> In Musical Theater, where I DO have experience, it is not uncommon for musicians to accept a pit position or even a Musical Director job to get experience and build a resume. If they cannot afford four years of schooling at Berklee or CIM or CSU OR if they came through the trenches, like I did, when no one ever conceived of a woman being a" Musical Director" there was no career niche or guidelines for them to follow. They (we) charted our own course.</DIV>
<DIV> Although I am a strong believer in unions for any profession ( it is a genetic predisposition,)</DIV>
<DIV> I also feel I need to advocate for the inexperienced who may be trying to see if they have any ability, talent or desire to pursue a career in film or television.</DIV>
<DIV> I also agree that advertisers, while looking at their borttom line, need to hear what the professional acting community is saying and recognize their culpability in this.</DIV>
<DIV> In all honesty, I never intended to make a career of doing free commercials. For me it was a means to an end, to get a professionally done tape I could use, to see what I looked like, sounded like, etc. </DIV>
<DIV> If I offended you or any other professionals that I have worked with over the years, please accept my sincere apology, but my motivation never meant to take work from anyone. Never even thought about it from that angle.</DIV>
<DIV> Shalom and love, Evie<BR><BR><B><I>Jean Zarzour <lipschtick at lipschtick.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>To Shelly:</FONT></STRONG> Thanks for speaking up. Every time I see a request for actors who will do commercials for "NO PAY" it makes my skin crawl and like you, I wonder when the advertiser will be offering their services "NO PAY". Unfortunately, until every actor, whether aspiring or part time, joins a professional union, we will always been an open target for any opportunist advertiser to take advantage of..... and there will always be inexperienced actors who will do anything to get face time on camera. Hence the ongoing problem. And I do see it as an old and ongoing problem. Until Fred started this service, the offenders were doing the same sort of business, they just didn't have a public venue like this one. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I almost don't blame the actor who hasn't yet assessed their own worth or the lay-person who just wants to be in a commercial before they die, but I do blame the greedy, opportunists who place the ads. I don't care what political, moral or constitutional slant you put on it......to the professional actor, it just plain sucks! </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>To the Advertisers:</FONT></STRONG> I realize that even if you knew that there were over 400 professional, experienced actors locally who could really use "paying" gigs, it wouldn't matter, you'd still take advantage of our less experienced or non-union community. I just wish that you knew how much dangling the "you can be on tv" carrot compromises an already vulnerable profession. And "free enterprise" aside, what a slap in the face it is to <EM>anyone </EM>who you might ask to put in any time and talent toward your effort. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>To the actors who would work for "NO PAY":</FONT></STRONG> Even though I am a staunch union member, and would love nothing more than to see you all join the unions, I have nothing against non-union actors who choose to work by non-union pay standards......I just hate to see that there are still people who don't have those standards in place. The actor who agrees to work for free not only loses a decent wage, but also any hope for residuals (see sag.org or aftra.org for info on commercial residuals) or the health and retirement benefits associated with working as a union member. Even if you <EM>do</EM> get paid, you lose on all commercial talent deals outside of AFTRA or SAG jurisdiction. Even if you stay non-union......PLEASE CHARGE A UNION SESSION RATE!! It sends a message that actors, of any kind, are worthy people too. Otherwise you
undermine ALL of our worth.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I hope that everyone reads your email Shelly. The heading may not best represent the seriousness or intention of the content. So I hope you'll re-label the subject line. It's about time someone at least "vented" as you did, even if there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In solidarity-</DIV>
<DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com href="mailto:neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com">neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=TRADLTTG at aol.com href="mailto:TRADLTTG at aol.com">TRADLTTG at aol.com</A> ; <A title=marty at schiffmedia.com href="mailto:marty at schiffmedia.com">marty at schiffmedia.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:42 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NEohioPAL]I need a Surgeon - will you work for FREE???</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>O.K., I've had it. I've been quiet about this issue long enough.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>I would like to know, in what other profession do people get asked to WORK for NO PAY? If you know of any doctors, lawyers, plumbers, electricians, garbage men..... who will work for me for FREE, will you please let me know? My life would be a whole lot easier.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>Whenever good actors give their talent away to the business world, you are hurting all of us. I am talking about people who are Making Money using your image, and your hard earned talent.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>If a business, that makes money, wants to advertise on TV in order to make <U>more</U> money for themselves, why on earth would you <U>give away your service</U> to them??? Will they give you their service or product for free??</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>If real actors would refuse to work for free, then maybe in order to get good talent, these advertisers would actually offer us some money!!! Duh - it's the old rule of supply and demand. It's bad enough that so many of you will do non - union work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>By the way, of course I am not talking about the artistic exercise of movie making or theater. We all do movie projects with our fellows for the good of all of us.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>I'm talking about being disrespected and USED.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=3> Shelly Marks</FONT></DIV>
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