FW: [NEohioPAL]Got Pay Meeting-Another opinion
Olena Jatsyshyn
jspiritwhisper at earthlink.net
Thu Mar 24 11:22:33 PST 2005
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-----Original Message-----
From: Olena Jatsyshyn [mailto:jspiritwhisper at earthlink.net]=20
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:03 PM
To: 'LissyGulick at aol.com'
Subject: RE: [NEohioPAL]Got Pay Meeting-Another opinion
As another wave of thoughts and opinions comes through, I must commend =
and
support Mary Faktor. Hurrah for ideas and thoughts well-articulated.
=20
I feel that there is very little BLACK and WHITE in this world, and we =
must
learn to see the full spectrum of the warmth and coolness of various =
colors.
Some are colors that we will use, and others that we will have no need =
for.
It is not necessary to burn one or the other.
A well-balanced palette which depicts what it represents allows for
interpretation, experience and reaches those that need it or want to be
exposed to it.=20
=20
We need to dialogue, to have open minds and to muster as much =
understanding
as possible.. There are many young, talented people out there=20
who just might be interested in the Arts for LIFE, but tearing each =
other
down, shaming each other and dismissing one another will certainly NOT =
set
an example=20
nor draw new quality talent. It only sucks up pure and precious positive
energy, and blocks a free flow of creativity.
=20
As I get ready to move to Canada, I wish all of you a steady, =
respectful
and success-filled road throughout your development, honing and =
perfection
of whatever skill and profession you have chosen.
=20
Much Love and Light,
Olena O. Jatsyshyn
jspiritwhisper at earthlink.net
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: neohiopal-admin at lists.fredsternfeld.com
[mailto:neohiopal-admin at lists.fredsternfeld.com] On Behalf Of
LissyGulick at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:22 AM
To: TALENTnet1 at aol.com; neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com
Subject: Re: [NEohioPAL]Got Pay Meeting-Another opinion
Bravo, Mary - a brave and wonderful letter, and I couldn't have said it
better, nor with as much love for fellow actors and acting. =20
Hugs, Lissy
In a message dated 3/24/05 8:10:34 AM, TALENTnet1 at aol.com writes:
To all Neohiopalers who attended Monday's "Got Pay" Meeting:
At the beginning, I sat in silence...just watching and listening, =
nodding my
head in agreement, "We're meeting to inform and educate....." Later I =
sat in
disbelief, shaking my head at what I was hearing. When I was finally =
ready
to raise my hand and offer an opposing opinion, I watched honest =
independent
filmmakers get attacked for presenting their side of this issue. I =
watched
as people walked out. After the meeting, I listened to several who had =
also
remained silent, also apprehensive of speaking out.=20
Now, with time to formulate my thoughts more articulately, I feel the =
need
to speak out. I need to share that the individual opinions of some =
union
members did NOT represent the opinions of ALL union members....certainly =
not
the opinions of THIS union member.=20
Yes, all actors have worth...I totally agree. Whether union or =
nonunion,
all actors have worth. No doubt about it. I heartily concur, that if =
asked
to do a commercial, industrial or training film, or ANY gig where the =
client
will be generating income as a result, ALL actors, crew, editors, =
writers,
etc., should be paid fairly for their services....Absolutely NO argument
here! In fact, in my opinion, on ANY project where SOME are being paid, =
ALL
should be paid. No one skill is more important than any other on any
project.=20
That, unfortunately, is where I parted company with the attitudes and
comments expressed at Monday's "Got Pay" meeting. Telling newcomers to
negotiate union wages or "walk away" from the job is ridiculous. =
Telling
independent film makers with no financial backing to put actor's =
salaries on
their charge cards is ludicrous. Telling actors to not act unless they =
get
paid is just plain foolish.=20
I am a 15 year member of AFTRA, and ready to join SAG upon my next SAG =
film.
I worked for many years on nonunion commercials, first free, then often
working for $50-$150 dollars for unlimited usage. For all I know, some =
of
them are still running in Chicago...and quite frankly, I don't care.
I worked for many years as an extra on over a dozen major films at a =
rate of
$50 per 12 hour day. With every job, I gained experience, confidence,
business contacts, and friends. I honed my craft and built my resume, =
line
by line. I trained at Second City, wrote my own show, THE SIX AGES OF
WOMAN, and put it on the market. (and yes, I reduce my rates and do
occasional free-bees when Spirit moves me to do so). When my =
confidence,
skill level, and resume were solid, I joined AFTRA. I have an agent. I
earn union scale. I don't "scab," and I have turned down suggestions to =
go
"financial core," (yet I do NOT judge or shun those who choose to make a
personal decision to do so).
But, listening to this meeting, I just kept shaking my head. What gives
ANYONE the right to judge others? What gives ANYONE the right to shame,
demean, or subtly threaten Email attacks to those who wish to offer =
no-pay
gigs...or those who choose to accept such "opportunities" to work for
free...for the reel, or experience or "fun of it?" What right does =
ANYONE
have to tell others they "shouldn't" work free or cheap, when MANY of us
veteran actors got our starts that way? Who has the right to tell =
others
how to live their lives? It is not up to ANY of us to tell others what =
to
charge or which work to accept. It is not our place to shame, attack or
intimidate others who follow their hearts to do what is individually =
right
for them. It smacks of the American Auto worker who "keys" the foreign =
car
in the parking lot.=20
Until I am a full SAG member, I will continue to audition and =
participate in
no-pay or deferred pay independent films. I have personally had nothing =
but
pleasant experiences on such projects. I do so because I love the film
industry and I love film acting. I do so because in my heart I KNOW it =
will
lead me to bigger and better things. Acting is my calling, my passion, =
my
pleasure. I do so because I want to help film makers produce high =
quality
projects, and I am a high quality actor. I believe my independent film
experience was what gave me the confidence and skill to win my SAG role =
in
AMERICAN SPLENDOR.=20
Don't get me wrong. Money is good. Money is nice. I need money like
everyone else. But everything I do is NOT about money. I always have =
and
always will do what is right in MY heart to do, regardless of the =
opinions
of others. I felt sad to see talented, good hearted, well intentioned =
people
intimidated and shamed at this meeting. I felt sad to see my union give =
the
appearance of being controlling, greedy and angry.
I totally agree with the motto expressed last night...
"IF MONEY GETS MADE, THE TALENT GETS PAID."=20
I personally would not do a commercial for no pay. In my opinion, =
neither
should anyone. But if you are a nonunion talent and feel led to say yes =
for
whatever your reason, follow your gut and your heart and do what is =
right
for you.=20
I have done professional theater for non-equity pay. And I have done =
good
quality community/semiprofessional theater for a stipend that didn't =
cover
my gas costs. My latest theater experience was performing in Fred
Sternfeld's Ragtime. Did I get paid? You bet I did. Besides the small
stipend, I got paid in ways that money can't buy. I got paid with the =
pride
of being an important part of a theatrical experience I will remember =
for
the rest of my life. I got paid by making some true close, intimate =
friends
I will love until I die. I got paid by the laughter and camaraderie at
rehearsals. I got paid by hearing thunderous applause, and seeing =
standing
ovations before the curtain call even began. Being a part of this
theatrical masterpiece not only didn't make me money, it cost me
money......and it was worth every single penny. I would do it again in a
heartbeat.
I am the Cleveland Coordinator for the Artistic Spiritual Cinema =
Community.
(www.SpiritualCinemaCircle.com) - A grass roots movement started by =
Stephen
Simon (What Dreams May Come, Somewhere in Time, Bill and Ted's Excellent
Adventure....and more) to produce quality films with a =
spiritual/positive
message. Actors, producers, writers, directors, tech crew....working =
for NO
PAY to produce quality inspirational and life changing films. If the =
films
ever make money, people will get paid. Sometimes it just has to be about
trusting each other. Sometimes it just has to be about THE ART.
Just one woman's opinion.
Warm hugs and a double dimpled smile from
Mary Faktor (the actor)
www.FaktorsTalentNetwork.com
888-913-3473
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Olena Jatsyshyn=20
[mailto:jspiritwhisper at earthlink.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March =
24, 2005=20
2:03 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'LissyGulick at aol.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:=20
[NEohioPAL]Got Pay Meeting-Another opinion<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D274254218-24032005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>As=20
another wave of thoughts and opinions comes through, I must commend and =
support=20
Mary Faktor. Hurrah for ideas and thoughts =
well-articulated.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D274254218-24032005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D274254218-24032005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>I feel=20
that there is very little BLACK and WHITE in this world, and we =
must learn=20
to see the full spectrum of the warmth and coolness of =
various colors.=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D274254218-24032005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Some are colors that we will use, and others =
that we will=20
have no need for. It is not necessary to burn one or the=20
other.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D274254218-24032005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>A=20
well-balanced palette which depicts what it represents allows for=20
interpretation, experience and reaches those that need it or want =
to be=20
exposed to it. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D274254218-24032005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D274254218-24032005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>We=20
need to dialogue, to have open minds and to muster as much understanding =
as=20
possible.. There are many young, talented people out there =
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D274254218-24032005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>who=20
just might be interested in the Arts for LIFE, but tearing each =
other down,=20
shaming each other and dismissing one another will certainly NOT set an =
example=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D274254218-24032005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>nor=20
draw new quality talent. It only sucks up pure and precious positive =
energy, and=20
blocks a free flow of creativity.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D274254218-24032005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D274254218-24032005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D274254218-24032005><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>As I get ready to move to Canada, I wish all of =
you a=20
steady, respectful and success-filled road throughout =
your development,=20
honing and perfection of whatever skill and profession you have=20
chosen.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D274254218-24032005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D274254218-24032005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Much=20
Love and Light,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D274254218-24032005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Olena=20
O. Jatsyshyn</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"mailto:jspiritwhisper at earthlink.net">jspiritwhisper at earthlink.net=
</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff> </FONT>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
neohiopal-admin at lists.fredsternfeld.com=20
[mailto:neohiopal-admin at lists.fredsternfeld.com] <B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>LissyGulick at aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:22=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> TALENTnet1 at aol.com;=20
neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NEohioPAL]Got =
Pay=20
Meeting-Another opinion<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT=20
face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DGeorgia color=3D#000000=20
size=3D3>Bravo, Mary - a brave and wonderful letter, and I =
couldn't have=20
said it better, nor with as much love for fellow actors and =
acting. =20
<BR><BR>Hugs, Lissy<BR><BR>In a message dated 3/24/05 8:10:34 AM,=20
TALENTnet1 at aol.com writes:<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
cite=3D"" TYPE=3D"CITE"></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#800080 =
size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"=20
color=3D#800080 size=3D3>To all Neohiopalers who attended Monday's =
"Got Pay"=20
Meeting:<BR><BR>At the beginning, I sat in silence...just watching =
and=20
listening, nodding my head in agreement, "We're meeting to inform =
and=20
educate....." Later I sat in disbelief, shaking my head at what I =
was=20
hearing. When I was finally ready to raise my hand and offer =
an=20
opposing opinion, I watched honest independent filmmakers get =
attacked for=20
presenting their side of this issue. I watched as people =
walked=20
out. After the meeting, I listened to several who had also =
remained=20
silent, also apprehensive of speaking out. <BR><BR>Now, with =
time to=20
formulate my thoughts more articulately, I feel the need to speak =
out. =20
I need to share that the individual opinions of some union members =
did NOT=20
represent the opinions of ALL union members....certainly not the =
opinions of=20
THIS union member. <BR><BR>Yes, all actors have worth...I =
totally=20
agree. Whether union or nonunion, all actors have worth. =
No=20
doubt about it. I heartily concur, that if asked to do a =
commercial,=20
industrial or training film, or</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3D"Comic =
Sans MS"=20
color=3D#800080 size=3D3><I><U> ANY</U></I></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#800080 size=3D3> gig where the =
client will be=20
generating income as a result,</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3D"Comic =
Sans MS"=20
color=3D#800080 size=3D3><U> ALL</U></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"=20
color=3D#800080 size=3D3> actors, crew, editors, writers, etc., =
should be paid=20
fairly for their services....Absolutely NO argument here! In =
fact, in=20
my opinion, on</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
color=3D#800080=20
size=3D3><I><U> ANY</U></I></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"=20
color=3D#800080 size=3D3> project where SOME are being =
paid,</FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#800080 size=3D3><U> =
ALL</U></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#800080 size=3D3> should be =
paid. No one=20
skill is more important than any other on any =
project. <BR><BR>That,=20
unfortunately, is where I parted company with the attitudes and =
comments=20
expressed at Monday's "Got Pay" meeting. Telling newcomers to=20
negotiate union wages or "walk away" from the job is =
ridiculous. =20
Telling independent film makers with no financial backing to put =
actor's=20
salaries on their charge cards is ludicrous. Telling actors to =
not act=20
unless they get paid is just plain foolish. <BR><BR>I am a 15 =
year=20
member of AFTRA, and ready to join SAG upon my next SAG film. =
I worked=20
for many years on nonunion commercials, first free, then often =
working for=20
$50-$150 dollars for unlimited usage. For all I know, some of =
them are=20
still running in Chicago...and quite frankly, I don't care.<BR><BR>I =
worked=20
for many years as an extra on over a dozen major films at a rate of =
$50 per=20
12 hour day. With every job, I gained experience, confidence, =
business=20
contacts, and friends. I honed my craft and built my resume, =
line by=20
line. I trained at Second City, wrote my own show, THE SIX =
AGES OF=20
WOMAN, and put it on the market. (and yes, I reduce my rates =
and do=20
occasional free-bees when Spirit moves me to do so). When my=20
confidence, skill level, and resume were solid, I joined =
AFTRA. I have=20
an agent. I earn union scale. I don't "scab," and I have =
turned=20
down suggestions to go "financial core," (yet I do NOT judge or shun =
those=20
who choose to make a personal decision to do so).<BR><BR>But, =
listening to=20
this meeting, I just kept shaking my head. What gives ANYONE =
the right=20
to judge others? What gives ANYONE the right to shame, demean, =
or=20
subtly threaten Email attacks to those who wish to offer no-pay =
gigs...or=20
those who choose to accept such "opportunities" to work for =
free...for the=20
reel, or experience or "fun of it?" What right does ANYONE =
have to=20
tell others they "shouldn't" work free or cheap, when MANY of us =
veteran=20
actors got our starts that way? Who has the right to tell =
others how=20
to live their lives? It is not up to ANY of us to tell others =
what to=20
charge or which work to accept. It is not our place to shame, =
attack=20
or intimidate others who follow their hearts to do what is =
individually=20
right for them. It smacks of the American Auto worker who =
"keys" the=20
foreign car in the parking lot. <BR><BR>Until I am a full SAG =
member, I=20
will continue to audition and participate in no-pay or deferred pay=20
independent films. I have personally had nothing but pleasant =
experiences on=20
such projects. I do so because I love the film industry and I =
love=20
film acting. I do so because in my heart I KNOW it will lead =
me to=20
bigger and better things. Acting is my calling, my passion, my=20
pleasure. I do so because I want to help film makers produce =
high=20
quality projects, and I am a high quality actor. I believe my=20
independent film experience was what gave me the confidence and =
skill to win=20
my SAG role in AMERICAN SPLENDOR. <BR><BR>Don't get me =
wrong. =20
Money is good. Money is nice. I need money like everyone =
else. But everything I do is NOT about money. I always =
have and=20
always will do what is right in MY heart to do, regardless of the =
opinions=20
of others. I felt sad to see talented, good hearted, well =
intentioned people=20
intimidated and shamed at this meeting. I felt sad to see my =
union=20
give the appearance of being controlling, greedy and angry.<BR><BR>I =
totally=20
agree with the motto expressed last=20
night...<BR> "IF MONEY GETS =
MADE, THE=20
TALENT GETS PAID." <BR>I personally would not do a commercial =
for no=20
pay. In my opinion, neither should anyone. But if you =
are a=20
nonunion talent and feel led to say yes for whatever your reason, =
follow=20
your gut and your heart and do what is right for you. <BR><BR>I =
have=20
done professional theater for non-equity pay. And I have done =
good=20
quality community/semiprofessional theater for a stipend that didn't =
cover=20
my gas costs. My latest theater experience was performing in =
Fred=20
Sternfeld's Ragtime. Did I get paid? You bet I =
did. =20
Besides the small stipend, I got paid in ways that money can't =
buy. I=20
got paid with the pride of being an important part of a theatrical=20
experience I will remember for the rest of my life. I got paid =
by=20
making some true close, intimate friends I will love until I =
die. I=20
got paid by the laughter and camaraderie at rehearsals. I got =
paid by=20
hearing thunderous applause, and seeing standing ovations before the =
curtain=20
call even began. Being a part of this theatrical masterpiece =
not only=20
didn't make me money, it cost me money......and it was worth every =
single=20
penny. I would do it again in a heartbeat.<BR><BR>I am the Cleveland =
Coordinator for the Artistic Spiritual Cinema Community. =20
(www.SpiritualCinemaCircle.com) - A grass roots movement started by =
Stephen=20
Simon (What Dreams May Come, Somewhere in Time, Bill and Ted's =
Excellent=20
Adventure....and more) to produce quality films with a =
spiritual/positive=20
message. Actors, producers, writers, directors, tech =
crew....working=20
for NO PAY to produce quality inspirational and life changing =
films. =20
If the films ever make money, people will get paid. Sometimes it =
just has to=20
be about trusting each other. Sometimes it just has to be =
about THE=20
ART.<BR><BR>Just one woman's opinion.<BR><BR>Warm hugs and a double =
dimpled=20
smile from<BR>Mary Faktor (the=20
=
actor)<BR>www.FaktorsTalentNetwork.com<BR>888-913-3473<BR></FONT><FONT=20
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