[NEohioPAL]Re: Got pay meeting, final response to another opinion
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Smarks7969 at aol.com
Thu Mar 24 14:28:42 PST 2005
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Have you ever been cast in an Oscar nominated film?
I have been cast in some of the crappiest films ever put on the face of this
Earth. But I was paid a good fair wage for that Crap!!!!
Regarding your sarcastic comments about my union status, FYI - I did not
pursue acting assertively in Chicago because I was busy raising children.
However, you apparently had a lot of time to work for free and "for many
years on nonunion commercials, first free, then often working for $50-$150
dollars for unlimited usage. For all I know, some of them are still running in
Chicago...and quite frankly, I don't care."
Did you study the art of contradiction while you were at "Second City"???
FYI - I have two beautiful children who have never hindered my ability to
earn a fair wage.
Perhaps you didn't speak to the many who were highly offended.
For the "many" of you who were "highly" offended - I'm offended that you
were offended. Don't attend any more of our meetings. And don't complain to us
when you are the waitress at our dinner table because you can't make a living
as an actor.
This bantering exercise, while fun, has shown me that I have a little too
much time on my hands. I think I'll go watch some of my crappy union films with
my 2 beautiful children.
Good day,
Shelly
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>From JR Simons <jovialities at peoplepc.com> Thu Mar 24 22:44:36 2005
From: JR Simons <jovialities at peoplepc.com> (JR Simons)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:44:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [NEohioPAL]UPDATE to PAY vs NO PAY Meeting
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<DIV>I don't normally weigh in on these discussions on the List. Prim=
arily because I'm not quite as resilient a punching bag (I bruise easily, b=
e gentle with me) as Bill Johns, with whom I've had the pleasure of working=
on a non-paying feature film that went nowhere, except my video colle=
ction, and every now and then I pull out the VHS tape and play it back=
to remind myself of the fun I had on the project. Not his project, b=
y the way. He was another of the volunteers working on it. So y=
ou can stop muttering "Simon LeGris" under your breath.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anyway, Bill brought up a very good point in his response reprinted he=
re which is that many of us do what we do because we love it and feel like =
we are a part of something that is greater than ourselves. Not one pe=
rson who has ever made it to the very top of any profession, that I know of=
, has ever said that they did it SOLELY for the money. Not =
even Donald Trump, who has written that he does what he does because he lov=
es doing it. He loves making deals. If the only reward for maki=
ng a deal was a piece of apple pie, Donald Trump would still do it because =
he loves making deals and would probably negotiate you out of the whole pie=
!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In a perfect world, we would all be able to do exactly what we lo=
ve doing for as much time as we wanted to do it without ever going wit=
hout enough food, water, housing or clothing. Since we live in an imp=
erfect world, the only substitute is getting paid for doing what we love fo=
r as long as we can stand doing it for someone else's purposes and not our =
own. Pay has nothing more than exchange value. If pay is, in an=
d of itself, the ONLY reward for doing something, then neither th=
e thing nor the pay have any value. Bill is right when he says it is =
necessary to weigh everything, "count the costs" as the Man said. Fre=
elance writers have the same dilemma as freelance actors: write for f=
ree or not? A Writers' Digest article I remember reading a few years =
ago suggested that if there is no pay involved, then there must be somethin=
g else to balance it out, either 1) prestige, 2) wide circulation or =
3) some other intangible that furthers one's career or personal goals. =
; If none of these exist, then don't write (or act) for free. I belie=
ve that we all must evaluate our own personal motives for acting and then d=
ecide accordingly whether we will act for free or not. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Mind you I am NOT saying that when the producer's ONLY motive is =
to return a profit for him/herself or his/her client one sould ever act for=
free. In such an instance, one should certainly expect to be compens=
ated for one's time and effort. However, when the loving creation of =
art is reduced to monetary exchange value, then both the money and the art =
created have no value. Consider how many great first albums were put =
out by talented musicians who eventually succumbed to the profit pressures =
of their labels to put out slick, glitzy pop and who eventually cheape=
ned their talent by "selling out." How many great paintings might nev=
er have existed if the artists had refused to paint for free? Ho=
w many great first films have been ruined by lousy sequels trying to milk t=
he cash cow?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have been reading a very interesting book lately that addresses issu=
es very similar to the ones in this email exchange and I highly recommend t=
hat anyone who has any interest in reading pick up this book and read it ri=
ght away. It's called <EM>Joy At Work</EM> by Dennis Bakke. I g=
uarantee after reading it, you will understand why this pay vs. no pay issu=
e has become so contentious and you may have a new and even better weapon i=
n your arsenal for seeking respect for ALL artists in the industry, because=
when it really comes down to it, you are all asking for dignity and respec=
t. If you can't get the dignity and respect, then you go after the mo=
ney. But all the money in the world won't buy you any dignity or resp=
ect. Just ask Kurt Cobain who had every material thing anyone could w=
ant, but still couldn't feed his soul.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Okay, I'm done. Hit me gently. Not below the belt, please.=
And not in the face. I'm not that good an actor and the face i=
s the only thing I have going for me. :-)</DIV>
<DIV><BR> </DIV>
<DIV>J. R. Simons</DIV>
<DIV>Producer</DIV>
<DIV>The Jovialities Entertainment Co., Ltd.</DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://www.jovialities.8m.com/">www.jovialities.8m.com</A><=
/DIV>
<DIV>(yes, we do pay!)<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Jean=
Zarzour <LIPSCHTICK at LIPSCHTICK.COM><BR>Sent: Mar 24, 2005 1:23 PM <BR>To: =
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#0000ff>Dear Pals- As expected, the Pay vs=
No Pay Meeting and GOT PAY? Campaign continues to inspire debate. So=
while everyone is so eloquently expressing their views (and by the way, th=
ank you for ALL of them, no matter what they are) I thought I'd post =
the update to our incredibly successful event!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#0000ff></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#0000ff>It was well attended (a little more=
than 1/2 of the rsvp's when I did an accurate check), stimulating and=
long! We went from 6:30 to 9:30, sharing, debating and sometimes exp=
ressing our outrage at some of the views that were expressed......but =
that's what happens when you are out to make significant change f=
or the better, and we already have!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#0000ff></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff><STRONG>Our efforts have begun a very respe=
ctful, earnest conversation with the folks at Real Living, Inc.&n=
bsp;They called to say that they didn't intend to offend any=
one in the acting community and that they would do what ever they coul=
d to "make this right".</STRONG> (Much more was disc=
ussed, but tune in.) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#0000ff></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#0000ff>That's what I call results!</FONT></STRO=
NG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#0000ff></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#0000ff>Below are some of the testimonials of th=
e attendees. You may be surprised to know that even the ind=
i film producer that we had the most heated debate with had very suppo=
rtive things to say......and for that I take my hat, boa and high heals off=
to you Bill! You're gutsy participation is even more evide=
nce that the meeting was a success!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#0000ff></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#0000ff>The first is Bill John's respo=
nse. You can read Bill's entire post on the NEOhiopal =
bulletin and I will post the long emails in entirety there as a document un=
der GOT PAY?</FONT></STRONG></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#0000ff></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><!--StartFragment --><TT>Still a bit bloodied and beaten aftra last ni=
ght's little ambush, I<BR>remain firm, not saggy, in my belief that there a=
re laudable reasons<BR>for acting in no-pay projects. Perhaps it's the expo=
sure, perhaps<BR>it's the experience, perhaps it's the demo reel, free food=
,<BR>practicing your art, working with your peers, or even a desire to be<B=
R>a part of the project itself because it merits your time and energy.<BR><=
/TT></DIV>
<DIV><TT>......when Jean exclaimed, "You see this? (pointing at me)<BR>This=
is what we're up against!" I'm sure she was more exasperated at<BR>the con=
cept of no-pay than at me directly. I was just the only one<BR>who looked a=
nything like the punching bag they were hoping would be<BR>there. I'm sure =
what really burns her up (and she'll correct me if<BR>I'm wrong) is when co=
mpanies, who have plenty of money to spend and<BR>are in the public eye, de=
cide not only to avoid union actors, but try<BR>to snag 'free' actors as we=
ll. And this is where ALL actors should be<BR>united. Never be afraid to as=
k for pay. Never be afraid to ask about<BR>the budget. After all, if they'r=
e asking one of the most important<BR>elements in the production to work fo=
r free, and whose image and<BR>voice will continue to work every time the p=
roject is seen, it would<BR>be nice to know who else shares the same value =
or lack thereof.<BR><BR>Finally, use good judgement, and try to envision th=
e effects your<BR>actions can have on the entire acting community. Instead =
of going for<BR>the instant gratification of being able to say, "Hey, that'=
s me in<BR>that Safe Auto commercial!!," remember that advertisers and agen=
cies<BR>will always try to save a buck from the source that will most easil=
y<BR>give it up.<BR><BR>......All in all, the meeting was well worth my tim=
e and sustained<BR>injuries, so if you weren't there, you missed something =
very<BR>important and I encourage you to visit Jean's site (gotpay.org) as<=
BR>soon as it's up and running.<BR><BR>Bill Johns<BR><A href=3D"http://www.=
cinevidproductions.com">www.cinevidproductions.com</A></TT></DIV>
<DIV><TT><FONT face=3DArial></FONT></TT> </DIV>
<DIV><TT><FONT face=3DArial>-----------------------------------------------=
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<DIV><TT>(Richard contributed SO many wonderful suggestions for our future.=
This </TT></DIV>
<DIV><TT>is an excerpt</TT><TT>)<EM> <BR></EM><BR></TT><TT>First I would li=
ke to thank you for devoting the time and energy needed<BR>to make this eve=
nt a reality. No matter if everyone agrees with you, or<BR>no one agr=
ees with you (I'm sure it's somewhere in the middle.), you<BR>have at least=
stood up for what you believe in, and started a serious<BR>public debate, =
and that should be commended.<BR><BR>Also, I should note that I had to leav=
e a bit early. I got to attend<BR>most of it, but I had to leave just=
as the main question and answer<BR>session was starting.<BR><BR>While I pr=
obably fall somewhere in the middle of the debate, since I<BR>feel there ar=
e projects where it is worth while to do them for no pay, I<BR>do completel=
y agree that if Money is being made on the project, then<BR>everyone should=
be getting paid. (oh...not just talent/performers by<BR>the way...bu=
t technicians, designers, etc. as well.... although I'll<BR>admit it's much=
easier to get paid as a technician in many areas of the<BR>arts)...... </T=
T></DIV>
<DIV><TT></TT> </DIV>
<DIV><TT>.......4. Another suggestion...maybe we should/could form a =
small GotPay<BR>board...or let's call it a committee actually? I woul=
d humbly suggest<BR>that we assemble some type of committee, that could ser=
ve as both a<BR>mouthpiece for the cause, and to help mentor the less exper=
ienced. (as<BR>I talked about earlier) I would also suggest tha=
t we try to make this<BR>group have at least one representative (if at all =
possible) from all<BR>areas of the arts. For example:<BR><BR>a. =
Directors<BR>b. Producers - theatre, TV and film<BR>c. Actor/P=
erformers - again theatre, film and TV<BR>d. Voice over artists (mayb=
e this would just go under group C?)<BR>e. Advertising Agency<BR>f.&n=
bsp; Designers - Technicians<BR>g. dancers/choreographers<BR>h. =
writers<BR>i. Graphic artists<BR><BR>I'm sure that I am forgetting s=
omething/someone? ;-)Obviously this idea could </TT></DIV>
<DIV><TT>only grow so far, or the committee would be as<BR>big as any peopl=
e who might come to the meetings. ;-)<BR><BR>Thanks again,<BR><BR>Ric=
hard B. Ingraham<BR>Free-lance Sound Design/Engineer/Technician<BR>RBI Comp=
uters & Audio<BR>email at: <A href=3D"">rbi at rbicompaudio.20m.com</A><BR=
><A href=3D"">http://www.rbicompaudio.20m.com</A><BR></DIV></TT>
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<DIV><TT>Very interesting group last night. I thought most of the issues th=
at were<BR>brought up are issues facing all elements of production. Sorry I=
didn?t get<BR>a chance to introduce myself last night - maybe next time. <=
BR><BR>Good Luck <BR><BR>Stewart Ryan<BR>Associate Producer/Director<BR>EDR=
MEDIA<BR>23330 Commerce Park Road<BR>Beachwood, OH 44122<BR><BR><A href=3D=
"">www.edr.com</A><BR></TT></DIV>
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<DIV><TT>
<DIV>It was a great pleasure meeting you yesterday. You did a fantastic job=
putting together the Pay <SPAN class=3Dcorrection id=3D"">vs</SPAN>. =
No Pay discussion.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Being an event coordinator myself, I am completely aware of the amount=
of time, energy, and details that go into an event of ANY size. Your =
passion for your craft as well as for the local arts community is insp=
iring and greatly appreciated!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I'm really looking forward to seeing <SPAN class=3Dcorrection id=3D"">=
gotpay</SPAN>.<SPAN class=3Dcorrection id=3D"">org</SPAN> when it becomes a=
ctive. I'm sure it will be a very useful tool for many. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Hugs - </DIV>
<DIV>Jeon Francis</DIV>
<DIV>Founder and President</DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://www.artistschair.com">www.artistschair.com</A></DIV>=
</TT></DIV>
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<DIV><TT><FONT face=3DArial>First of all - thanks to you and all of the pan=
elists for getting this rolling. Now...let me<B><I> "testify"</I></B> (Can =
I get an AMEN.....)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face=3DArial>As someone with a lot of community theatre background=
, but very little professional experience (or "Got Pay" experience, if you =
will), the opportunity to learn more about the worth of what we do was a ma=
jor draw for me. And I was not disappointed! If anything, I wanted more inf=
o, as a few of the performance genres (theatre and writing - next meeting?)=
were only lightly touched on. So I look forward to the website and future =
discussions. And I have to ask "Was it really three hours?", because it sur=
ely did not seem like it. The discussion probably could have gone on for an=
other three. But I did take home a wealth of info (things to look at - and =
for, questions to ask) that will be useful in making more educated decision=
s. It was well worth the time, and the drive, and I'd make the time to atte=
nd future events - as well as drag a few friends along for the ride!!!</FON=
T></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial>Thanks again! </FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial>Bill Berr=
y </FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial>Mr. "$50 for the one commercial on my resum=
e"</FONT> </P>
<P>-----------------------------------------------------</P>
<P><STRONG>Thank you for using your knowledge and experience to be<BR>an ad=
vocate to the non-union talent in this city. Its<BR>when we all come =
together that we have power.<BR><BR>Keep up the great work,<BR><BR>Brad Spe=
ck</STRONG><BR>-----------------------------------------------------</P>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D722574405-22032005><FONT face=3D"Agency FB" size=3D3>FAB=
ULOUS MEETING tonight Jean! Let me know about the site!</FONT></SPAN>=
</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D722574405-22032005><FONT size=3D3></FONT></SPAN> </=
DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D722574405-22032005><FONT face=3D"Agency FB" size=3D3>Lov=
e,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D722574405-22032005><FONT size=3D3>Cindi :)</FONT></SPAN>=
</DIV>
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<P>I am an actor originally from Cleveland, OH but am now<BR>living and pur=
suing acting in Chicago. I was<BR>wondering if the "Pay No Pay" event=
was recorded. If<BR>so is it for purchase? There are lots of p=
rojects<BR>going on out here in Chicago (ie: film, TV,<BR>commercials) and =
a lot of them offer a reel, gas<BR>reimbursement, and food and exposure lik=
e you<BR>mentioned. I also believe that with the exception of<BR>film=
students who may be looking for actors to work<BR>for free that there is m=
oney to be made from these<BR>projects. If there is not a tape availa=
ble would<BR>someone be willing to provide a summary of some sort<BR>in pri=
nt of what happened at the "Pay No Pay" event.<BR><BR>Sincerely<BR><BR>Ther=
esa <BR>------------------------------------------------------------------<=
/P>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=3D#00007f><STRONG>Hi Jean,</STRONG></FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#00007f></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=3D#00007f><STRONG>This is Wendy Kriss. </STRONG></FONT=
></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=3D#00007f><STRONG>I enjoyed and learned alot at the Pa=
y vs. No Pay meeting last night.</STRONG></FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=3D#00007f><STRONG>Thanks for all of the hard work that=
you put into making it happen!</STRONG></FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=3D#00007f><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=3D#00007f><STRONG>Would you be willing to talk with me=
some more about Industrial Events..etc.?</STRONG></FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#00007f>I'd appreciate it very much.</FONT><=
/EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#00007f></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#00007f>Thanks again...</FONT></EM></STRONG>=
</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#00007f>Wendy</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#00007f></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#00007f></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial>I want to thank you for sticking yo=
ur neck out to help. But what is sad is that there weren't more peopl=
e there, but I think what is sadder is that these so-called named professio=
nal performers, names ones that we both know of here in Cleveland for 20+ y=
ears, don't show up. I have been part of Unions myself, an=
d have always been amazed why the top people fail to do anything =
for someone below them, through sheer laziness, self-protection o=
f their status, or arrogance. It's really annoying. </FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial>I believe that actors need mor=
e and more training about business ethics, practical acting training,&=
nbsp;and persistence. It seems to me more and more performers wi=
ll need to bargain on their own in the future. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial></FONT><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&n=
bsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify>
<DIV align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial>Russ Smith</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial><A href=3D"mailto:ITZRUSS1 at NETZERO.=
NET">ITZRUSS1 at NETZERO.NET</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I am grateful to you and your panelists for fo=
cusing attention on this issue. The issue not only affects individual pocke=
tbooks but every entertainers' if our market is allowed to erode and disapp=
ear. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial>I was impressed with the expertise and=
experience of your panelists. Even though they were from diverse areas of =
entertainment they were all on the same page regarding this issue. </FONT><=
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I appreciated the sharing of strategies and online =
resources actors can use to ask for pay. I believe your website will be inv=
aluable to local talent. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial>The informal atmosphere =
stimulated lively discussions between the panel and the audience members. A=
udience members felt comfortable sharing their stories re lack of payment. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So thanks again, </FONT><FONT face=3DArial>Beverly =
Kristy, actor, screenwriter</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Beverly Kristy<BR>440-487-6698<BR><A href=3D"">bkri=
sty at mindspring.com</A><BR>-------------------------------------------------=
-------------------------------------------------------------</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>I was extremely impressed by the meeting last night.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Initially, I did not think it would be that good. However, I fel=
t that the meeting became less a gripe session as it did become an exchange=
of ideas, an ability to network, and an opportunity to express to producer=
s who were there what gripes we have as union talent in an increasingly gro=
wing, lower paying union or next to nothing nonpaying non-union world.=
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think we should have further meetings with specific topics with pres=
entations.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Christopher Fortunato</DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>Hello this is Andy Schofield. I just wanted to say thank you for an in=
formative meeting that started way back with you and Shelly.I look forward =
to being more a part of future meetings.If you ever need help with anything=
,let me know.Thanks again for your efforts.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards , Andy Schofield</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"">andyschofield at yahoo.com</A> =
<A href=3D"">www.moviemanandy.co=
m</A> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"">www.dream-makerproductions.com</A> (SOON TO B=
E UP ) Actor-Director-Producer A.F.T.R.A. S.A.G.(el=
igible) </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anything else please let me know<BR></DIV></DIV>
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V></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></TT></DIV>
<DIV><TT><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Courier New"></FONT></STRONG></TT> </DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000>This is a positive movement to support all artis=
ts in pursuit of fair wages. In case there is any misconception, a sl=
ogan offered by Mike Kraft tells it all:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000><STRONG><FONT size=3D3>"If Money Is Made, The Ta=
lent Gets Paid"</FONT></STRONG> period</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000>Your devoted advocate and founder of the GOT PAY=
? Organization-</FONT></DIV>
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