[NEohioPAL]re: gay event

Fri Oct 7 03:13:57 PDT 2005

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Somehow, according to Tom Oravec and Mary Thompson, the "Live Homosexual
Acts on Public Square" posting is both dangerous to children and
"anti-straight." Yes, how dare these homosexuals walk about in Public Square
where God forbid, Tom Oravec's children might even see them! His children
might even see the email promoting this event!! Won't somebody PLEASE
consider the children!!?? 

It just amazes me that there are people who consider themselves a part of
the arts community who have anti-gay sentiments. Gays are a huge part of the
arts community, Mr. Oravec and Ms. Thompson, so if their presence bothers
you, feel free to remove yourselves from said arts community. I'm sure your
talents, whatever those may be, will be sorely missed. Oh, and please
continue to shelter your children from the fact that homosexuals are a part
of the community and contributing members of society, because we REALLY need
them to grow up to be just as bigoted and ignorant as you both appear to be.

Barry Wakser

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From: neohiopal-admin at lists.fredsternfeld.com
[mailto:neohiopal-admin at lists.fredsternfeld.com] On Behalf Of zac hudak
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 5:23 PM
To: Mary Thompson; neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com
Subject: Re: [NEohioPAL]re: gay event

OKAY

I've kept my happy little gay mouth shut up until now but let me respond to
this one.

PLEASE   FEEL FREE to have a straight-pride or blue pride or green pride
event!  HEll, let's have a people pride event!

We all have things about ourselves that, through life, we are afraid to
admit or talk about.  For some people it might be bedwetting.  For some
people it might be the fact that they fathered a child and no one knows.
For some people it may be that they're gay.  Having been gay for 25 years
and still not being TOTALLY out, I know how hard it is.  I know there are
probably 16 and 17 year olds reading this who may need someone to say it's
okay.  There may be people reading this who don't think it's okay.  That's
okay.  Just don't get miffed that someone took the time to organize a day
when anyone who feels that way can get together and say "hey, we're okay!"
(If you want to have National I'm That Babby's Daddy Day... YOU'RE ALLOWED!)

That's America!

You know, that place where we're free to assemble and celebrate ANYTHING WE
WANT.  Hell, if you like Colgate toothpaste and you wanna celebrate it... GO
FOR IT!   And I'm sure Fred wouldn't mind if you invited other Colgate
loving artists to join you in that celebration.  I'll even find out when
Colgate was first invented so we can do it properly!

Just celebrate LIFE people!  Gay, straight, black, yellow, Colgate using,
Pepsi drinking...  Who cares?!  We're all here to do something... who knows
what that is.. and all of us have been brought together in this artist's
community to do what we do together... So, do it!  And do it well! 

I think I've made my point.  

Anti-straight... heh...  that made me giggle

Mary Thompson <mtmuzic at yahoo.com> wrote:

I had no idea you were anti-straight. Hell, if we held
a "stright pride" event it would be considered
prejudice. Remove me from the e-mail list immediately!

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<tt>Somehow, according to Tom Oravec and Mary Thompson, =
the
"Live Homosexual Acts on <st1:Street w:st=3D"on"><st1:address =
w:st=3D"on">Public
 Square</st1:address></st1:Street>" posting is both dangerous to =
children
and "anti-straight." Yes, how dare these homosexuals walk =
about in <st1:Street
w:st=3D"on"><st1:address w:st=3D"on">Public =
Square</st1:address></st1:Street> where
God forbid, Tom Oravec's children might even see them! His children =
might even
see the email promoting this event!! Won’t somebody PLEASE =
consider the
children!!?? <o:p></o:p></tt>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><tt><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
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<tt>It just amazes me that there are people who consider
themselves a part of the arts community who have anti-gay sentiments. =
Gays are
a huge part of the arts community, Mr. Oravec and Ms. Thompson, so if =
their presence
bothers you, feel free to remove yourselves from said arts community. =
I’m
sure your talents, whatever those may be, will be sorely missed. Oh, and =
please
continue to shelter your children from the fact that homosexuals are a =
part of
the community and contributing members of society, because we REALLY =
need them
to grow up to be just as bigoted and ignorant as you both appear to be. =
  <o:p></o:p></tt>

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<tt><font face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial'>Barry =
Wakser</span></font></tt><font
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neohiopal-admin at lists.fredsternfeld.com
[mailto:neohiopal-admin at lists.fredsternfeld.com] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>zac hudak<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October =
06, 2005
5:23 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Mary Thompson;
neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: =
[NEohioPAL]re: gay
event</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>OKAY<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I've kept my happy little gay mouth shut up =
until now
but let me respond to this one.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>PLEASE   FEEL FREE to have a =
straight-pride
or blue pride or green pride event!  HEll, let's have a people =
pride
event!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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We all have things about ourselves that, =
through life,
we are afraid to admit or talk about.  For some people it might be
bedwetting.  For some people it might be the fact that they =
fathered a
child and no one knows.  For some people it may be that they're =
gay. 
Having been gay for 25 years and still not being TOTALLY out, I know how =
hard
it is.  I know there are probably 16 and 17 year olds reading this =
who may
need someone to say it's okay.  There may be people reading this =
who don't
think it's okay.  That's okay.  Just don't get miffed that =
someone
took the time to organize a day when anyone who feels that way can get =
together
and say "hey, we're okay!"   (If you want to have =
National
I'm That Babby's Daddy Day... YOU'RE =
ALLOWED!)<o:p></o:p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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You know, that place where we're free to =
assemble and
celebrate ANYTHING WE WANT.  Hell, if you like Colgate toothpaste =
and you
wanna celebrate it... GO FOR IT!   And I'm sure Fred wouldn't =
mind if
you invited other Colgate loving artists to join you in that =
celebration. 
I'll even find out when Colgate was first invented so we can =
do it
properly!<o:p></o:p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

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Just celebrate LIFE people!  Gay, =
straight,
black, yellow, Colgate using, Pepsi drinking...  Who cares?!  =
We're
all here to do something... who knows what that is.. and all of us have =
been
brought together in this artist's community to do what we do together... =
So, do
it!  And do it well! <o:p></o:p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I think I've made my point.  =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Anti-straight... heh...  that made me =
giggle<o:p></o:p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><i><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold;
font-style:italic'>Mary Thompson =
<mtmuzic at yahoo.com></span></font></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>

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I had no idea you were anti-straight. Hell, =
if we held 
a "stright pride" event it would be considered 
prejudice. Remove me from the e-mail list immediately! 
 
 
 
__________________________________ 
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http://mail.yahoo.com 
_______________________________________ 
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Board." Occasionally when "hot-button" discussions go on =
more
than a day or two, the bulletin board is used. The Neopal bulletin board =
also
has some other terrific features, like a searchable database for you to =
put
your personal information, a place to post pictures and a chat room with =
a
nightly 11pm gathering to discuss hot topics:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neopal/ 
_______________________________________ 
Disclaimer: The facts and/or opinions expressed in this message are =
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for
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