[NEOPAL]Re: decline of live theater

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   Joshua,
  
  Let's be honest, you didn't edit for brevity, you removed the link that connects to the central point of my post because even you could not justify its contents.
  
  Here it is again, so that other readers might make sense of the discussion:
  
      http://wakanaka.blogspot.com/2006/04/ernest-angley-and-road-to-hell.html
      
    (If the link isn't active, cut'n'paste!) (original link was on www.boingboing.net)

 You illustrate quite well my comments. The two sides in the struggle for people's minds are these: people who seek the truth and those convinced they already possess it.
  
 Some people accept new ideas and actively try to assimilate them into existing belief and knowledge structures, allowing their beliefs to, dare we say it, evolve over time.
  
 Others deny new facts, distort or misquote those they disagree with and yes, even edit for brevity when faced with irrefutable evidence of distasteful behavior on the part of those they support; whatever it takes to preserve their world-view unchanged.
  
 So thanks for agreeing with my premise and conclusion, I will now go out and search for professional ethical arguments to support or disprove my claim that the other behaviors I listed do indeed spring from a common underlying cultural mind-set. These behaviors include a decline in both the participation in and attendance of live theater. If we accept the statement that this decline is a 'bad thing', and we wish to do something about it, then we need to examine possible causes. I submit that the mind-set that supports activities like Ernie's Road Show is one possible cause. Ernie's friends and supporters are alive and well here in NEOH. That's what's wrong.
  
  Steve Kramer
  
  

Joshua Hunyadi <jhunyadi at sbcglobal.net> wrote: Interesting post but what's wrong?...
    Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:56:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: za za <ohiozaza at yahoo.com>
To: neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com
Subject: [NEOPAL]another reason for the decline of live theater?

  [...edited for brevity]
  
There is a very real struggle taking place these days, not just for 'eyeballs', but for 'neurons' themselves. 

Homophobia, the rise of belief in 'intelligent design' and the decline in people's  understanding of the nature of science, election fraud, the passive acceptance of the hateful right-wing agenda, 'wal-mart' consumerism, a growing preference for individual podcasts vs live theater, these are all examples of the same class of  phenomena. People are being systematically trained to be passive consumers, live theater requires thought.

Steve Kramer
  The first and last sentence are right on with the exception that perhaps "live theater [should] require thought."  Everything else is rubbish and has no place here.  They do not relate and show very little thought - interesting considering supposed argument.
   
  Perhaps this IS the reason for a decline.  Theater people thinking they are smarter than everyone else when they are not - and then bringing their Pavlovian-trained political agendas to an intelligent audience.  Please provide "proofs" for your weak arguments.  Mocking the right wing, intelligent design, and even Walmart for that matter should involve more than terse commentary.  If you read up on both sides - professional ethical arguments - not blog commentaries..., you will  see some very valid points that must be debated, not brushed aside.
   
  I bet your complaining is as boring as your theater.
  -Art reflects life reflects art-
   
  For the record, I am an avid theater fan and participant.  Theater is for everyone.  Please don't cheapen it.
   
  Joshua Hunyadi


		
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   Joshua,<br>  <br>  Let's be honest, you didn't edit for brevity, you removed the link that connects to the central point of my post because even you could not justify its contents.<br>  <br>  Here it is again, so that other readers might make sense of the discussion:<br>  <br>      http://wakanaka.blogspot.com/2006/04/ernest-angley-and-road-to-hell.html<br>      <br>    (If the link isn't active, cut'n'paste!) (original link was on www.boingboing.net)<br><br> You illustrate quite well my comments. The two sides in the struggle for people's minds are these: people who seek the truth and those convinced they already possess it.<br>  <br> Some people accept new ideas and actively try to assimilate them into existing belief and knowledge structures, allowing their beliefs to, dare we say it, evolve over time.<br>  <br> Others deny new facts, distort or misquote those they disagree with and yes, even edit for brevity when faced with irrefutable evidence of distasteful
 behavior on the part of those they support; whatever it takes to preserve their world-view unchanged.<br>  <br> So thanks for agreeing with my premise and conclusion, I will now go out and search for professional ethical arguments to support or disprove my claim that the other behaviors I listed do indeed spring from a common underlying cultural mind-set. These behaviors include a decline in both the participation in and attendance of live theater. If we accept the statement that this decline is a 'bad thing', and we wish to do something about it, then we need to examine possible causes. I submit that the mind-set that supports activities like Ernie's Road Show is one possible cause. Ernie's friends and supporters are alive and well here in NEOH. That's what's wrong.<br>  <br>  Steve Kramer<br>  <br>  <br><br><b><i>Joshua Hunyadi <jhunyadi at sbcglobal.net></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px;
 padding-left: 5px;"> Interesting post but what's wrong?...<br>  <blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">  <div>Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:56:24 -0700 (PDT)<br>From: za za <ohiozaza at yahoo.com><br>To: neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com<br>Subject: [NEOPAL]another reason for the decline of live theater?<br></div>  <div>[...edited for brevity]</div>  <div><br><font id="role_document" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="3"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">There is a very real struggle taking place these days, not just for 'eyeballs', but for 'neurons' themselves. <br><br>Homophobia, the rise of belief in 'intelligent design' and the decline in people's  understanding of the nature of science, election fraud, the passive acceptance of the hateful right-wing agenda, 'wal-mart' consumerism, a growing preference for individual podcasts vs live theater,
 these are all examples of the same class of  phenomena. People are being systematically trained to be passive consumers, live theater requires thought.</font></font><br><br>Steve Kramer</div></blockquote>  <div>The first and last sentence are right on with the exception that perhaps "live theater [should] require thought."  Everything else is rubbish and has no place here.  They do not relate and show very little thought - interesting considering supposed argument.</div>  <div> </div>  <div>Perhaps this IS the reason for a decline.  Theater people thinking they are smarter than everyone else when they are not - and then bringing their Pavlovian-trained political agendas to an intelligent audience.  Please provide "proofs" for your weak arguments.  Mocking the right wing, intelligent design, and even Walmart for that matter should involve more than terse commentary.  If you read up on both sides - professional ethical
 arguments - not blog commentaries..., you will  see some very valid points that must be debated, not brushed aside.</div>  <div> </div>  <div>I bet your complaining is as boring as your theater.</div>  <div>-Art reflects life reflects art-</div>  <div> </div>  <div>For the record, I am an avid theater fan and participant.  Theater is for everyone.  Please don't cheapen it.</div>  <div> </div>  <div>Joshua Hunyadi</div></blockquote><br><p>
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