[NEohioPAL]To Tony Brown

Tue Aug 28 08:52:19 PDT 2007

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Your no elitist to me.  Six years of Honors English in the Garfield Heights school system that included diagramming sentences.  Love of language made me collect a shelf full of books on language at home written by HL Mencken, Churchill, and Edwin Newman among others.  We labored long enough to make such comments.

  Today's students could not endure the constructive criticism of a teacher grading grammar, spelling and punctuation particularly when they were weaned on "whole language" and other types of creative writing jive.

  Is your participle dangling?

Bill Van Nostran <wvannostran at neo.rr.com> wrote:
          I totally agree with David's points. Do people think that because it's an email, spelling/grammar doesn't matter? An email, especially one broadcast to the area arts community, is just as much a reflection on the sender as if it appeared in print. I chalk up many errors appearing on the NEohioPAL list to careless haste. Others, however, are clearly due to poor writing skills. This is dismaying and, I believe, indicative of a decline in educational standards.
  Bill Van Nostran

    ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Budin 
  To: neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:47 AM
  Subject: [NEohioPAL]To Tony Brown

  Tony,

  You're correct, of course, about "candelabra" being plural, but in the same message, he asked whether someone could "loan" them one.  The word should have been "lend."  "Loan" is a noun; "lend" is a verb.

  Speaking of which, why are so many of the messages here filled with so many errors in grammar, spelling, punctuation, word usage, and so on?  It seems that the arts community would be better educated, or would at least want to appear that way.

  I realize that now Tony and I are going to get 643 angry replies from people calling us snobs and elitists or something, and say that this language stuff is not important (because we all understand each other -- that's the usual argument), and we're being petty.  And after a day and a half of that, Fred will tell everyone to go to that other list (in other words, "Take it outside.").  But this stuff is actually important.  Everyone in the arts community needs to write grant applications, letters to donors, public relations material, ads, and all kinds of things where it really does make a difference.  If you're not sure of spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc., it's all really easy to look up, in books and online.  

  David Budin

candelabrum is the singular form of the noun. candelabra is plural.   just fyi.         >>> "kevin Rutan" <kevinrutan at gmail.com> 8/27/2007 5:22 PM >>>  Hi I am Kevin Rutan I am stage managing "the Marriage of Bette and Boo"   at  Kent State stark theater we are in need of a candelabra. for the  thanksgiving.  If anyone could see it in your heart to loan us one for   the  show   please send me an e-mail thank you.    Kevin Rutan  Stage Manager  330-622-2652  kevinrutan at gmail.com    

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<div>Your no elitist to me.  Six years of Honors English in the Garfield Heights school system that included diagramming sentences.  Love of language made me collect a shelf full of books on language at home written by HL Mencken, Churchill, and Edwin Newman among others.  We labored long enough to make such comments.</div>  <div> </div>  <div>Today's students could not endure the <EM>constructive</EM> criticism of a teacher grading grammar, spelling and punctuation particularly when they were weaned on "whole language" and other types of creative writing jive.</div>  <div> </div>  <div>Is your participle dangling?<BR><BR><B><I>Bill Van Nostran <wvannostran at neo.rr.com></I></B> wrote:</div>  <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">  <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3157" name=GENERATOR>  <STYLE></STYLE>    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I totally agree with David's points. Do people
 think that because it's an email, spelling/grammar doesn't matter? An email, especially one broadcast to the area arts community, is just as much a reflection on the sender as if it appeared in print. I chalk up many errors appearing on the NEohioPAL list to careless haste. Others, however, are clearly due to poor writing skills. This is dismaying and, I believe, indicative of a decline in educational standards.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill Van Nostran</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>  <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=popcycles at sbcglobal.net href="mailto:popcycles at sbcglobal.net">David Budin</A> </DIV>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
 title=neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com href="mailto:neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com">neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com</A> </DIV>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:47 AM</DIV>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NEohioPAL]To Tony Brown</DIV>  <DIV><BR></DIV>  <DIV>Tony,</DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  <DIV>You're correct, of course, about "candelabra" being plural, but in the same message, he asked whether someone could "loan" them one.  The word should have been "lend."  "Loan" is a noun; "lend" is a verb.</DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  <DIV>Speaking of which, why are so many of the messages here filled with so many errors in grammar, spelling, punctuation, word usage, and so on?  It seems that the arts community would be better educated, or would at least want to appear that way.</DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  <DIV>I realize that now Tony and I are going to get 643 angry replies from people calling us snobs and elitists
 or something, and say that this language stuff is not important (because we all understand each other -- that's the usual argument), and we're being petty.  And after a day and a half of that, Fred will tell everyone to go to that <U>other</U> list (in other words, "Take it outside.").  But this stuff is actually important.  Everyone in the arts community needs to write grant applications, letters to donors, public relations material, ads, and all kinds of things where it really does make a difference.  If you're not sure of spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc., it's all really easy to look up, in books and online.  </DIV>  <DIV> </DIV>  <DIV>David Budin</DIV><PRE><TT>candelabrum is the singular form of the noun. candelabra is plural.   just fyi.         >>> "kevin Rutan" <<A
 href="http://us.f818.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=kevinrutan@gmail.com&YY=86076&y5beta=yes&y5beta=yes&order=down&sort=date&pos=0"><FONT color=#003399>kevinrutan at gmail.com</FONT></A>> 8/27/2007 5:22 PM >>>  Hi I am Kevin Rutan I am stage managing "the Marriage of Bette and Boo"   at  Kent State stark theater we are in need of a candelabra. for the  thanksgiving.  If anyone could see it in your heart to loan us one for   the  show   please send me an e-mail thank you.    Kevin Rutan  Stage Manager  330-622-2652  <A href="http://us.f818.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=kevinrutan@gmail.com&YY=86076&y5beta=yes&y5beta=yes&order=down&sort=date&pos=0"><FONT color=#003399>kevinrutan at gmail.com</FONT></A>    </TT></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><!-- type = message --></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p> 
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