[NEohioPAL] Keep Government out of the Arts

Sun Feb 1 12:45:47 PST 2009

Wow, this is such a complicated issue....the stats that Noah provided are mindblowing.

The fact that art is an industry is often overlooked.  The creative factor is essential in every other industry in this country, does that count for something?

Art is more than just producing your favorite plays continually, the impacts can be so far reaching, arts in education is an example of that.

For those of us who have a targeted audience who may not have the resources to support or organizations, but who NEED our services- i.e., kids who really need intervention and activities that build them up in a neighborhood/community that does the opposite, kids who have parents that have to work to barely make it, barely surviving and can't afford to pay for, or don't have time to go to artistic programs that can help fill in the gap that families used to fill, parents whose only options to deal with all that energy that their children have is to let them be put on ridilin and other drugs to calm them down and don't have the transportation to take their children to the great arts centers that offer great classes that will give them a creative outlet.

For those of us, we are glad to see that there are options.

Business is business, if yours is so left field, then don't apply for government funding, there are many aspects of society that don't need or want government intervention or observance, and their clientele keep them alive and thriving...but for those who are trying to use their arts to change/save lives, this would be a blessing.

Check us out online!  Updates, performances, classes, schedules, and more...     www.africansoulinternational.org   

--- On Sun, 2/1/09, Bud Graske <bud_graske at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Bud Graske <bud_graske at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NEohioPAL] Keep Government out of the Arts
To: "neohiopal" <neohiopal at listserve.com>, nbudin at sbcglobal.net
Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 1:12 PM

Oh, please ... Do you really believe gov't funding would come with no
strings attached? Or perhaps that certain "right thinking" concepts
will get a little extra funding, and that "wrong thinking" will not be
funded aggressively? Do we really want to give politicians that much power?

You praise Britain, where political correctness has banned teaching about the
Holocaust in some schools? Hard to imagine a production of "Schindler's
List" getting funded ... How about a play critical of Hammas?
How about cartoons depicting the prophet? Is that art? Do we want politicians
to decide?

I find it disturbing to see how many artists equate a lack of funding with
censorship. Any time one artist "deserves" funding from the gov't,
you open the door to one artist deserving it MORE than another. Be careful what
you wish for! "Who pays the piper calls the tune" is still true.

Bud Graske

--- On Sun, 2/1/09, Noah Budin <nbudin at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: Noah Budin <nbudin at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [NEohioPAL] Keep Government out of the Arts
> To: "neohiopal" <neohiopal at listserve.com>
> Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 12:08 PM
> The governments funding of the art is CRUCIAL to its
> survival, on so many levels and for so many reasons. Arts
> education should be included in this mix as well. Arts
> education helps children develop an appreciation for the
> arts and builds the foundation for a life of arts support.
> But that's a whole topic unto itself.
> 
> I just did a little preliminary research on line to grab
> some stats. One can spend a lifetime researching and
> documenting this - and I think the data comes out pretty
> much the same - but here are some quick numbers:
> 
> This from a Canadian study in 2003 - 2004 and the figures
> are in Canadian dollars.
> Per capita government arts spending:
> England - $22.99
> Scotland - $20.00
> Austrailia - $6.19
> Canada is pretty low at $4.15
> But - and be proud, America! - here's the total govt.
> arts funding per capita for the U.S. - $0.44
> 
> Wow.
> 
> Here's my source:
>
http://www.canadacouncil.ca/NR/rdonlyres/9C37F2C4-FB69-47C9-8227-EC8C46CAEACF/0/Comparisonsofartsfunding27Oct2005.pdf
> 
> For some drier reading, try this:
> 
> http://www.osborne-conant.org/arts_funding.htm#1
> 
> Noah Budin
> www.noahbudin.com
> 
> --- On Sun, 2/1/09, MARC MORITZ
> <marcmoritz at yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: MARC MORITZ <marcmoritz at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NEohioPAL] Keep Government out of the Arts
> To: neohiopal at listserve.com, "Terrence J Smith"
> <smith at tennisamigo.com>
> Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 11:40 AM
> 
> Oh....Do mean countries like Great Britain , France ,
> Germany , where the Government financially participates in
> the funding of the Arts as a major part of their
> nation's fabric? With no censorship as a result of that
> funding? Where Theatres are not crumbling daily?
>  
>  
>  
> Marc Moritz
> 
>  
> marc moritz
> 216-255-1120
> 
> --- On Sat, 1/31/09, Terrence J Smith
> <smith at tennisamigo.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Terrence J Smith <smith at tennisamigo.com>
> Subject: [NEohioPAL] Keep Government out of the Arts
> To: neohiopal at listserve.com
> Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 5:21 PM
> 
> The purpose of governments is to protect us from hostile
> nations and from
> criminals and settle disputes in the courts.  Keep the
> government out of
> the arts, out of banks, out of autos, and out of our
> pockets.
> 
> All this bailout stuff is just breeding the mentality of
> 'I want to get
> part of the loot.'  I participate in the arts through
> acting and music
> performances, and if art is going to remain free (as in
> freedom) it can't
> be chained down by some bureaucrat determining who gets
> support, telling
> you what you can or cannot create.
> 
> As government starts getting into business, they are
> telling executives
> how much money they can make, that any more than that is
> "shameful"
> (as
> Obama put it).  Artists, male or female, must be paid
> according to the
> market, not by voting for some legislation.
> 
> Terry Smith
> North Olmsted
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