[NEohioPAL]Fwd: Response to Mike Kraft

Fri Mar 25 08:14:30 PST 2005

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From: TALENTnet1 at aol.com
Full-name: TALENTnet1
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Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:14:12 EST
Subject: Response to Mike Kraft
To: mikekraft at wideopenwest.com
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Dear Mike:

I am not angry.  I do not feel angry.  I am not writing angry.  I feel no=20
anger toward anyone here.  The only anger I have seen thrown around is by Je=
an=20
and Shelly.  Why don't you address that?
>=20
> With a rather unusual misconception about what went on at the GotPay?=20
> meeting the other night, apparently. I am quite stunned at your post. It s=
eems to=20
> me just about everyone there was in agreement about what we all were sayin=
g.=20

Yes, Mike, I have stated time and again that I agree with the original reaso=
n=20
for the meeting.  I agree totally with getting paid for work which generates=
=20
income.  WE ARE NOT DISAGREEING ON THIS POINT. I disagreed with the verbal=20
assault on Bill Johns.  I felt it was inappropriate. I also stated that peop=
le=20
have to do what they feel in their gut is right for them to do.  I stated my=
=20
feelings.  That is all.  I am not the enemy here.  I did not record the meet=
ing. =20
I stated how some comments came across and were perceived.  It is said, ther=
e=20
is no truth...only perception.  What is it so hard to acknowledge that some=20
in the audience perceived things said in a different way?>=20
>=20
> You quote my email: What gives ANYONE the right to shame, demean, or subtl=
y=20
> threaten Email >attacks to those who wish to offer no-pay gigs...or those=20=
who=20
> choose to accept >such "opportunities" to work for free...for the reel, or=
=20
> experience or "fun of it?"=20
>=20
>  By replying:
> I think it is right and fair for a group of people who feel there is=20
> injustice to speak out against that. Shaming is fine, as long as your posi=
tion is=20
> right. Demeaning and subtle threats are below the belt, but you are dealin=
g=20
> with rather opinionated people on both sides of the aisle, so fur flies fr=
om=20
> time to time. At least we=E2=80=99re not getting hit in the head by the Pi=
nkerton=E2=80=99s.

THIS IS THE ATTITUDE I AM AGAINST.  It is OK for you, Jean, Shelly, etc. to=20
"speak out" but if I raise an opinion I am attacked.  "Shaming is fine, as l=
ong=20
as your position is right????"  YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME.   Do you really=
=20
believe that?  What gives you or anyone the right to shame anyone because th=
ey=20
have an opposing opinion?
>=20
> As we said at the meeting, and will continue to repeat; when money is made=
,=20
> the talent gets paid. The percolating upward pressure of artists demanding=
=20
> proper compensation for their efforts creates the perception that this is=20=
not a=20
> free lunch. If you want to do something for the love of it, by all means d=
o=20
> so.

I always get paid for my commercial work.  When money is made, I get paid. W=
e=20
are on the same page.

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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=
=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Dear Mike:<BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#800080" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=20=
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</FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#800080" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=20=
#ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D12 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=
=3D"0"></B>I am not angry.  I do not feel angry.  I am not writing=
 angry.  I feel no anger toward anyone here.  The only anger I hav=
e seen thrown around is by Jean and Shelly.  Why don't you address that=
?</FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#800080" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=
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</FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=20=
#ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D12 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=
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With a rather unusual misconception about what went on at the GotPay? meetin=
g the other night, apparently. I am quite stunned at your post. It seems to=20=
me just about everyone there was in agreement about what we all were saying.=
 </FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=
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<BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#800080" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=20=
#ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D12 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=
=3D"0">Yes, Mike, I have stated time and again that I agree with the origina=
l reason for the meeting.  I agree totally with getting paid for work w=
hich generates income.  WE ARE NOT DISAGREEING ON THIS POINT. </FONT><F=
ONT  COLOR=3D"#800080" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"=20=
SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D12 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">I d=
isagreed with the verbal assault on Bill Johns.  I felt it was inapprop=
riate. I also stated that people have to do what they feel in their gut is r=
ight for them to do.  I stated my feelings.  That is all.  I=20=
am not the enemy here.  I did not record the meeting.  I stated ho=
w some comments came across and were perceived.  It is said, there is n=
o truth...only perception.  What is it so hard to acknowledge that some=
 in the audience perceived things said in a different way?</FONT><FONT  COLO=
R=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=20=
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You quote my email: What gives ANYONE the right to shame, demean, or subtly=20=
threaten Email >attacks to those who wish to offer no-pay gigs...or those=
 who choose to accept >such "opportunities" to work for free...for the re=
el, or experience or "fun of it?" <BR>
<BR>
 By replying:<BR>
<B>I think it is right and fair for a group of people who feel there is inju=
stice to speak out against that.</B> <B>Shaming is fine, as long as your pos=
ition is right. </B>Demeaning and subtle threats are below the belt, but you=
 are dealing with rather opinionated people on both sides of the aisle, so f=
ur flies from time to time. At least we=E2=80=99re not getting hit in the he=
ad by the Pinkerton=E2=80=99s.</FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#fffff=
f" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D12 FAMILY=3D"SERIF"=
 FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#800080" BACK=3D"#ffff00" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=20=
#ffff00" SIZE=3D4 PTSIZE=3D14 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=
=3D"0">THIS IS THE ATTITUDE I AM AGAINST.  It is OK for you, Jean, Shel=
ly, etc. to "speak out" but if I raise an opinion I am attacked.  "Sham=
ing is fine, as long as your position is right????"  YOU'VE GOT TO BE K=
IDDING ME.   Do you really believe that?  What gives you or a=
nyone the right to shame anyone because they have an opposing opinion?</FONT=
></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=
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G=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=20=
#ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D12 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=
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IN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR>
As we said at the meeting, and will continue to repeat; when money is made,=20=
the talent gets paid. The percolating upward pressure of artists demanding p=
roper compensation for their efforts creates the perception that this is not=
 a free lunch. If you want to do something for the love of it, by all means=20=
do so.</FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-C=
OLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D12 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman=
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#ffffff" SIZE=3D4 PTSIZE=3D14 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=
=3D"0">I always get paid for my commercial work.  When money is made, I=
 get paid. We are on the same page.</FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#=
ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D12 FAMILY=3D"S=
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