[NEohioPAL]Non-talent response to Mary's message..

Thu Mar 24 09:16:40 PST 2005

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Well, I have been reading these posts for sometime now, and although I
wasn't present at the meeting I just wanted to say a couple of things.  I'm
a budding writer/director/producer, to this date I have one independent film
that I worked my butt off to produce.  I didn't have the luxury of getting
any financial investors; I did it the hard way, with my paychecks.  Now, the
actors in my film did not get paid.  They knew that I didn't have the money
for it.  So yes, they ate for free; they slept in cramped quarters to get
the job done.  However at the end of the day, the ones that were serious
about their careers had something to put in their resumes.  To date, two of
the serious actors have gone on to get better roles, commercials and TV
shows, and it was because of me.  I feel proud to help young actors get
exposure, and I will continue to do so until I can get financial backing to
produce my next feature.   Trust me when I say I would love to pay actors,
but more so I would love it when Clevelander's support their film industry
too.

CP Quiros

  _____  

From: neohiopal-admin at lists.fredsternfeld.com
[mailto:neohiopal-admin at lists.fredsternfeld.com] On Behalf Of Dinah Mitchell
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:09 AM
To: neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com
Subject: [NEohioPAL]Non-talent response to Mary's message..

As an indie filmmaker with no desire to be an actor, but all the respect in
the world for what you do, I appreciate Mary's stance on the "Got Pay"
meeting.

Last year, I produced my first movie. Yeah, we had no budget and went into
credit card debt paying for digital tape, food for the cast/crew (on top of
the donations), gas for my dad's generator, and many other expenses, some
unforeseen.

I know the potential for making money on our first movie is slim, maybe
slimmer than winning the lottery. I didn't even try to raise money because I
don't want to piss off investors and create a bad name for myself before I
even begin my film career.

But we finished a movie. Our first. And we're very proud of it, even if it
hasn't been accepted into any film festivals we submitted to, or had any
sales potential yet.

I'm here to thank Mary and the rest of the 200+ cast, crew and sponsors who
donated food, equipment and their valuable time, energy and talent.

I have a list. My list has over 200 people, and counting.

I have a dream. My dream is to raise funding for feature length films that
will employ people on that list. 

I have no desire to move to LA or NY. I love this town and the people in it,
especially Mary. You can trust I'll do everything I can to help you (talent
and crew), if you're willing to help me.

Sincerely,

Jennifer Overstreet

Producer of "Little Pricks"

To all Neohiopalers who attended Monday's "Got Pay" Meeting:

At the beginning, I sat in silence...just watching and listening, nodding my
head in agreement, "We're meeting to inform and educate....." Later I sat in
disbelief, shaking my head at what I was hearing.  When I was finally ready
to raise my hand and offer an opposing opinion, I watched honest independent
filmmakers get attacked for presenting their side of this issue.  I watched
as people walked out.  After the meeting, I listened to several who had also
remained silent, also apprehensive of speaking out.  

Now, with time to formulate my thoughts more articulately, I feel the need
to speak out.  I need to share that the individual opinions of some union
members did NOT represent the opinions of ALL union members....certainly not
the opinions of THIS union member.  

Yes, all actors have worth...I totally agree.  Whether union or nonunion,
all actors have worth.  No doubt about it.  I heartily concur, that if asked
to do a commercial, industrial or training film, or ANY gig where the client
will be generating income as a result, ALL actors, crew, editors, writers,
etc., should be paid fairly for their services....Absolutely NO argument
here!  In fact, in my opinion, on ANY project where SOME are being paid, ALL
should be paid.  No one skill is more important than any other on any
project.  

That, unfortunately, is where I parted company with the attitudes and
comments expressed at Monday's "Got Pay" meeting.  Telling newcomers to
negotiate union wages or "walk away" from the job is ridiculous.  Telling
independent film makers with no financial backing to put actor's salaries on
their charge cards is ludicrous.  Telling actors to not act unless they get
paid is just plain foolish.  

I am a 15 year member of AFTRA, and ready to join SAG upon my next SAG film.
I worked for many years on nonunion commercials, first free, then often
working for $50-$150 dollars for unlimited usage.  For all I know, some of
them are still running in Chicago...and quite frankly, I don't care. 

I worked for many years as an extra on over a dozen major films at a rate of
$50 per 12 hour day.  With every job, I gained experience, confidence,
business contacts, and friends.  I honed my craft and built my resume, line
by line.  I trained at Second City, wrote my own show, THE SIX AGES OF
WOMAN, and put it on the market.  (and yes, I reduce my rates and do
occasional free-bees when Spirit moves me to do so).  When my confidence,
skill level, and resume were solid, I joined AFTRA.  I have an agent.  I
earn union scale.  I don't "scab," and I have turned down suggestions to go
"financial core," (ye t I do NOT judge or shun those who choose to make a
personal decision to do so).

But, listening to this meeting, I just kept shaking my head.  What gives
ANYONE the right to judge others?  What gives ANYONE the right to shame,
demean, or subtly threaten Email attacks to those who wish to offer no-pay
gigs...or those who choose to accept such "opportunities" to work for
free...for the reel, or experience or "fun of it?"  What right does ANYONE
have to tell others they "shouldn't" work free or cheap, when MANY of us
veteran actors got our starts that way?  Who has the right to tell others
how to live their lives?  It is not up to ANY of us to tell others what to
charge or which work to accept.  It is not our place to shame, attack or
intimidate others who follow their hearts to do what is individually right
for them.  It smacks of the American Auto worker who "keys" the foreign car
in the parking lot.  

Until I am a full SAG membe r, I will continue to audition and participate
in no-pay or deferred pay independent films. I have personally had nothing
but pleasant experiences on such projects.  I do so because I love the film
industry and I love film acting.  I do so because in my heart I KNOW it will
lead me to bigger and better things. Acting is my calling, my passion, my
pleasure.  I do so because I want to help film makers produce high quality
projects, and I am a high quality actor.  I believe my independent film
experience was what gave me the confidence and skill to win my SAG role in
AMERICAN SPLENDOR.  

Don't get me wrong.  Money is good.  Money is nice.  I need money like
everyone else.  But everything I do is NOT about money.  I always have and
always will do what is right in MY heart to do, regardless of the opinions
of others. I felt sad to see talented, good hearted, well intentioned people
intimidated and shamed at this meeting.  I felt sad to see my union give the
appearance of being controlling, greedy and angry.

I totally agree with the motto expressed last night...
       "IF MONEY GETS MADE, THE TALENT GETS PAID."  
I personally would not do a commercial for no pay.  In my opinion, neither
should anyone.  But if you are a nonunion talent and feel led to say yes for
whatever your reason, follow your gut and your heart and do what is right
for you.  

I have done professional theater for non-equity pay.  And I have done good
quality community/semiprofessional theater for a stipend that didn't cover
my gas costs.  My latest theater experience was performing in Fred
Sternfeld's Ragtime.  Did I get paid?  You bet I did.  Besides the small
stipend, I got paid in ways that money can't buy.  I got paid with the pride
of being an important part of a theatrical experience I will remember for
the rest of my life.&nb sp; I got paid by making some true close, intimate
friends I will love until I die.  I got paid by the laughter and camaraderie
at rehearsals.  I got paid by hearing thunderous applause, and seeing
standing ovations before the curtain call even began.  Being a part of this
theatrical masterpiece not only didn't make me money, it cost me
money......and it was worth every single penny. I would do it again in a
heartbeat.

I am the Cleveland Coordinator for the Artistic Spiritual Cinema Community.
(www.SpiritualCinemaCircle.com) - A grass roots movement started by Stephen
Simon (What Dreams May Come, Somewhere in Time, Bill and Ted's Excellent
Adventure....and more) to produce quality films with a spiritual/positive
message.  Actors, producers, writers, directors, tech crew....working for NO
PAY to produce quality inspirational and life changing films.  If the films
ever make money, people will get paid. Sometimes it just has to be about
trusting each other.  Sometimes it just has to be about THE ART.

Just one woman's opinion.

Warm hugs and a double dimpled smile from
Mary Faktor (the actor)
www.FaktorsTalentNetwork.com
888-913-3473

  _____  

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Well, I have been reading these =
posts for
sometime now, and although I wasn’t present at the meeting I just =
wanted
to say a couple of things.  I’m a budding =
writer/director/producer,
to this date I have one independent film that I worked my butt off to
produce.  I didn’t have the luxury of getting any financial =
investors;
I did it the hard way, with my paychecks.  Now, the actors in my =
film did
not get paid.  They knew that I didn’t have the money for =
it. 
So yes, they ate for free; they slept in cramped quarters to get the job
done.  However at the end of the day, the ones that were serious =
about
their careers had something to put in their resumes.  To date, two =
of the
serious actors have gone on to get better roles, commercials and TV =
shows, and
it was because of me.  I feel proud to help young actors get =
exposure, and
I will continue to do so until I can get financial backing to produce my =
next
feature.   Trust me when I say I would love to pay actors, but =
more
so I would love it when Clevelander’s support their film industry =
too.<o:p></o:p>

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neohiopal-admin at lists.fredsternfeld.com
[mailto:neohiopal-admin at lists.fredsternfeld.com] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dinah Mitchell<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 24, =
2005
11:09 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> =
[NEohioPAL]Non-talent
response to Mary's message..</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>As an indie filmmaker with no desire to be an actor, but all the
respect in the world for what you do, I appreciate Mary's stance on the
"Got Pay" meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Last year, I produced my first movie. Yeah, we had no budget and =
went
into credit card debt paying for digital tape, food for the cast/crew =
(on top
of the donations), gas for my dad's generator, and many
other expenses, some unforeseen.<o:p></o:p>

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I know the potential for making money on our first =
movie is
slim, maybe slimmer than winning the lottery. I didn't even try to raise =
money
because I don't want to piss off investors and create a bad name for =
myself
before I even begin my film career.<o:p></o:p>

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But we finished a movie. Our first. And we're =
very
proud of it, even if it hasn't been accepted into any film =
festivals
we submitted to, or had any sales potential =
yet.<o:p></o:p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I'm here to thank Mary and the rest of =
the 200+
cast, crew and sponsors who donated food, equipment and their =
valuable
time, energy and talent.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>

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counting.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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I have a dream. My dream is to raise funding =
for feature
length films that will employ people on that list. =
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I have no desire to move to LA or NY. I love this town and =
the
people in it, especially Mary. You can trust I'll do =
everything I can
to help you (talent and
crew), if you're willing to help me.<o:p></o:p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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Pricks"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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To all Neohiopalers =
who
attended Monday's "Got Pay" Meeting: 
 
At the beginning, I sat in silence...just watching and listening, =
nodding my
head in agreement, "We're meeting to inform and educate....." =
Later I
sat in disbelief, shaking my head at what I was hearing.  When I =
was
finally ready to raise my hand and offer an opposing opinion, I watched =
honest
independent filmmakers get attacked for presenting their side of this
issue.  I watched as people walked out.  After the meeting, I
listened to several who had also remained silent, also apprehensive of =
speaking
out.  
 
Now, with time to formulate my thoughts more articulately, I feel the =
need to
speak out.  I need to share that the individual opinions of some =
union
members did NOT represent the opinions of ALL union members....certainly =
not
the opinions of THIS union member.  
 
Yes, all actors have worth...I totally agree.  Whether union or =
nonunion,
all actors have worth.  No doubt about it.  I heartily concur, =
that
if asked to do a commercial, industrial or training film, or ANY gig where the client will =
be
generating income as a result, ALL actors, crew, editors, =
writers, etc.,
should be paid fairly for their services....Absolutely NO argument =
here! 
In fact, in my opinion, on ANY
project where SOME are being paid, ALL should be paid.  =
No one
skill is more important than any other on any project.  
 
That, unfortunately, is where I parted company with the attitudes and =
comments
expressed at Monday's "Got Pay" meeting.  Telling =
newcomers to
negotiate union wages or "walk away" from the job is
ridiculous.  Telling independent film makers with no financial =
backing to
put actor's salaries on their charge cards is ludicrous.  Telling =
actors
to not act unless they get paid is just plain foolish.  
 
I am a 15 year member of AFTRA, and ready to join SAG upon my next SAG
film.  I worked for many years on nonunion commercials, first free, =
then
often working for $50-$150 dollars for unlimited usage.  For all I =
know,
some of them are still running in <st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Chicago</st1:place></st1:City>...and
quite frankly, I don't care. 
 
I worked for many years as an extra on over a dozen major films at a =
rate of
$50 per 12 hour day.  With every job, I gained experience, =
confidence,
business contacts, and friends.  I honed my craft and built my =
resume,
line by line.  I trained at <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceName =
w:st=3D"on">Second</st1:PlaceName>
 <st1:PlaceType w:st=3D"on">City</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>, wrote my =
own show,
THE SIX AGES OF WOMAN, and put it on the market.  (and yes, I =
reduce my
rates and do occasional free-bees when Spirit moves me to do so).  =
When my
confidence, skill level, and resume were solid, I joined AFTRA.  I =
have an
agent.  I earn union scale.  I don't "scab," and I =
have
turned down suggestions to go "financial core," (ye t I do NOT =
judge
or shun those who choose to make a personal decision to do so). 
 
But, listening to this meeting, I just kept shaking my head.  What =
gives
ANYONE the right to judge others?  What gives ANYONE the right to =
shame,
demean, or subtly threaten Email attacks to those who wish to offer =
no-pay
gigs...or those who choose to accept such "opportunities" to =
work for
free...for the reel, or experience or "fun of it?"  What =
right
does ANYONE have to tell others they "shouldn't" work free or =
cheap,
when MANY of us veteran actors got our starts that way?  Who has =
the right
to tell others how to live their lives?  It is not up to ANY of us =
to tell
others what to charge or which work to accept.  It is not our place =
to
shame, attack or intimidate others who follow their hearts to do what is
individually right for them.  It smacks of the American Auto worker =
who
"keys" the foreign car in the parking lot.  
 
Until I am a full SAG membe r, I will continue to audition and =
participate in
no-pay or deferred pay independent films. I have personally had nothing =
but
pleasant experiences on such projects.  I do so because I love the =
film
industry and I love film acting.  I do so because in my heart I =
KNOW it
will lead me to bigger and better things. Acting is my calling, my =
passion, my
pleasure.  I do so because I want to help film makers produce high =
quality
projects, and I am a high quality actor.  I believe my independent =
film
experience was what gave me the confidence and skill to win my SAG role =
in
AMERICAN SPLENDOR.  
 
Don't get me wrong.  Money is good.  Money is nice.  I =
need
money like everyone else.  But everything I do is NOT about =
money.  I
always have and always will do what is right in MY heart to do, =
regardless of
the opinions of others. I felt sad to see talented, good hearted, well
intentioned people intimidated and shamed at this meeting.  I felt =
sad to
see my union give the appearance of being controlling, greedy and =
angry. 
 
I totally agree with the motto expressed last night... 
       "IF MONEY GETS MADE, THE =
TALENT GETS
PAID."  
I personally would not do a commercial for no pay.  In my opinion, =
neither
should anyone.  But if you are a nonunion talent and feel led to =
say yes
for whatever your reason, follow your gut and your heart and do what is =
right
for you.  
 
I have done professional theater for non-equity pay.  And I have =
done good
quality community/semiprofessional theater for a stipend that didn't =
cover my
gas costs.  My latest theater experience was performing in Fred
Sternfeld's Ragtime.  Did I get paid?  You bet I did.  =
Besides
the small stipend, I got paid in ways that money can't buy.  I got =
paid
with the pride of being an important part of a theatrical experience I =
will
remember for the rest of my life.&nb sp; I got paid by making some =
true
close, intimate friends I will love until I die.  I got paid by the
laughter and camaraderie at rehearsals.  I got paid by hearing =
thunderous
applause, and seeing standing ovations before the curtain call even
began.  Being a part of this theatrical masterpiece not only didn't =
make
me money, it cost me money......and it was worth every single penny. I =
would do
it again in a heartbeat. 
 
I am the <st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Cleveland</st1:place></st1:City>
Coordinator for the Artistic Spiritual Cinema Community. 
(www.SpiritualCinemaCircle.com) - A grass roots movement started by =
Stephen
Simon (What Dreams May Come, Somewhere in Time, Bill and Ted's Excellent
Adventure....and more) to produce quality films with a =
spiritual/positive
message.  Actors, producers, writers, directors, tech =
crew....working for
NO PAY to produce quality inspirational and life changing films.  =
If the
films ever make money, people will get paid. Sometimes it just has to be =
about
trusting each other.  Sometimes it just has to be about THE =
ART. 
 
Just one woman's opinion. 
 
Warm hugs and a double dimpled smile from 
Mary Faktor (the actor) 
www.FaktorsTalentNetwork.com 
888-913-3473<o:p></o:p>

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