[NEohioPAL]PLEASE READ: Looking for voice over for safety video

Thu May 3 07:08:04 PDT 2007

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Dear John at Valspar:

I'm sure, at this point, you're rethinking the whole British accent thing
anyway, but  I also appreciate the fact that you took the time to respond to
Jean Zarzour,  and I think it's great that you wanted to use a professional,
and that you utilized Neohiopal as part of your search.  

However, I'd like add my support to Jean Zarzour's comments and philosophy.
I'm also a professional actor, who studied and trained for many years - and
had to pay for that training (college degree, etc.) as well as pay my
'dues'.    As an artist it gets tiresome having to constantly 'explain'
myself to people outside of the business, which is why I'm so appreciative
of her website 'Got Pay'.    Would you ask LeBron James to come and shoot a
few hoops for free to demonstrate something in your video?  Would you ask
Tom Cruise to do a voice over for free?   Or expect Picasso to give you some
sketches?   I hope not - and even though the majority of actors are not
'famous' - they are, nevertheless, working for a living and the arts just
happen to be their trade.   Put yourself in their shoes:  Would you be
willing to come in and work for free (using your own materials and taking
time off from your paying job) for the artist, because they needed a
'regular person' to demonstrate something in their classroom or to make a
point to their peers? 

Sincerely,

Linda Castro

Neohiopal member  

  _____  

From: neohiopal-admin at lists.fredsternfeld.com
[mailto:neohiopal-admin at lists.fredsternfeld.com] On Behalf Of Jean Zarzour
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:19 AM
To: MARTIN, JOHN; neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com
Subject: Re: [NEohioPAL]PLEASE READ: Looking for voice over for safety video

Dear John and NeOhioPals-  

I appreciate your response to the email that I initiated John, and though
you may be unaware of how my argument still applies, I appreciate your
effort to be clearer. I am the founder of the <http://www.gotpay.org> GOT
PAY? Organization, founded in 2005. It is an artists advocacy and education
resource for rates, standards and practices in the entertainment industry.
It is with all due respect that I am responding to you and all of the
parties who may be concerned, in one email.

The fact is, no matter who has to fund the project, or why you want to
produce the recording, you are requesting that someone with specific talents
participate for no pay. It is for your company, regardless of whether it is
for fun or whether there is are immediate, future or no profits realized as
a result. Since you normally use employees for your project, I can only
assume  that there wasn't anyone there who could do the British accent which
is why you sought out a professional. Great idea, but the circumstances are
completely different. The artist is not an employee of your company. They
will more likely be self-employed, as an actor.

Hundreds of union actors in the Cleveland area perform in industrials for a
living, on and off camera. Some recordings are just for fun like your
project. But they are still on company time for company use. For that
matter, many of us also perform comedy material for private parties in
peoples homes. We still get paid.  If you have to fund the recording, you
have to fund the recording.  My computer repair company charges me whether I
am using my computer for fun or business. They don't care why I need my
computer fixed. They charge me to fix it.  

There are exceptions of course, where benefits and fundraiser events arise
asking for an artist to "donate" their services. But even then, there is
almost always pay for the artists services, even if it is not at their usual
rate.

I can only suggest that you pay something for that persons time. Maybe not
the union rate of $385, but something. 

I started an organization to help artists realize their worth. I appreciate
you taking the time to respond to that effort.

Sincerely-

Devoted advocate and founder of the <http://www.gotpay.org> GOT PAY?
Organization-

Jean Zarzour

<http://www.lipschtick.com/> Lipschtick Putting the SHOW in BUSINESS
Nationwide Since 1989!

Also Founder Of

-The GOT PAY? Organization  <http://www.gotpay.org/> www.gotpay.org 

-Find Your Voice-Voice Over Institute (next 8wk class starts 6/4/07) 

Ph/Fax     216-521-3831 Toll Free   866-SCHTICK 

<http://www.lakewoodbuzz.com/Stories/Story-JeanZarzour-09-09-04-Ferjutz-Lake
wood-Ohio.html> Read an on line article about Lipschtick
 <http://www.lipschtick.com/> www.lipschtick.com  

----- Original Message ----- 

From: MARTIN, JOHN <mailto:jmartin at valspar.com>  

To: neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com 

Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 6:37 AM

Subject: [NEohioPAL]PLEASE READ: Looking for voice over for safety video

It has been brought to my attention that my posting for voice over artists
with no pay has been miss read and was not made clear in the original post.
Please let me clarify my intentions and maybe ease some irate minds out
there. First of all THIS IS NOT A CORPORATE video. At my place of
employment, we are required to have a weekly safety meeting. At those
meetings, employees take turns giving  a presentation on a safety topic.
They are very informal. In the past, when it was my turn, I chose to make a
short video instead of standing up and giving a boring speech and handing
out flyers. My fellow employees have come to enjoy the break in routine of
these meetings with my videos. The videos are produced on my own time with
my own money (if I need any). No one but employees see these videos. NO ONE
makes any money and NO PRODUCTS are promoted. These are simply fun
alternatives to giving a safety speech. I apologize if anyone has felt I was
trying (or more appropriate my company) was trying to get something for
nothing while making a huge profit on free talent. The company I work for
has nothing to to do with the production of these videos. All the actors  in
the past have been employees who work here. I hope this helps clear up
things. My intentions were not presented clearly, and again I apologize for
that. If anyone has any further concerns, please feel free to e-mail me. I
will do my best to explain and answer your questions.

This transmission may contain confidential or privileged information;
unauthorized use is prohibited. 
Transactions with Valspar are subject to the terms found at
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rethinking the whole British accent thing anyway, but  I also =
appreciate
the fact that you took the time to respond to <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">Jean
 Zarzour</st1:PersonName>,  and I think it’s great that you =
wanted
to use a professional, and that you utilized Neohiopal as part of your =
search. 
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

However, I’d like add my =
support to <st1:PersonName
w:st=3D"on">Jean Zarzour</st1:PersonName>’s comments and
philosophy.   I’m also a professional actor, who studied =
and
trained for many years – and had to pay for that training (college =
degree,
etc.) as well as pay my ‘dues’.    As an =
artist it
gets tiresome having to constantly ‘explain’ myself to =
people
outside of the business, which is why I’m so appreciative of her =
website ‘Got =
Pay’.    Would
you ask LeBron James to come and shoot a few hoops for free to =
demonstrate
something in your video?  Would you ask Tom Cruise to do a voice =
over for
free?   Or expect Picasso to give you some =
sketches?   I
hope not – and even though the majority of actors are not =
‘famous’
– they are, nevertheless, working for a living and the arts just =
happen
to be their trade.   Put yourself in their shoes:  Would =
you be willing to come in and =
work for
free (using your own materials and taking time off from your paying job) =
for the
artist, because they needed a ‘regular person’ to =
demonstrate
something in their classroom or to make a point to their peers? =
<o:p></o:p>

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<st1:PersonName
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<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b><st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">Jean
 Zarzour</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 02, =
2007
11:19 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> MARTIN, JOHN; =
<st1:PersonName
w:st=3D"on">neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: =
[NEohioPAL]PLEASE
READ: Looking for voice over for safety =
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I appreciate your response to the email that I =
initiated
John, and though you may be unaware of how my argument still applies, I
appreciate your effort to be clearer.  I am the founder =
of the <a
href=3D"http://www.gotpay.org">GOT =
PAY? Organization</str=
ong></a>,
founded in 2005. It is an artists advocacy and education =
resource
for rates, standards and practices in the entertainment industry.
 It is with all due respect that I am responding =
to you and
all of the parties who may be concerned, in one =
email.  <o:p></o:p>

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The fact is, no matter who has to fund the =
project, or
why you want to produce the recording, you are requesting that
someone with specific talents participate for no pay. =
It is =
for your
company, regardless of whether it is for fun or whether there is are =
immediate,
future or no
profits realized as a result. Since you normally use employees for =
your
project, I can only assume  that there wasn't anyone there who =
could do
the British accent which is why you sought out a professional. Great
idea, but the circumstances are completely different. The artist is =
not an
employee of your company. They will more likely
be self-employed, as an actor.<o:p></o:p>

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Hundreds of union actors in the <st1:City =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place
 w:st=3D"on">Cleveland</st1:place></st1:City> area perform
in industrials for a living, on and off camera. Some recordings are =
just
for fun like your project. But they are still on company time for
company use. For that matter, many of us also perform comedy =
material
for private
parties in peoples homes. We still get paid.  If you
have to fund the recording, you have to fund the =
recording.  My
computer repair company charges me whether I am using my computer for =
fun or
business. They don't care why I need my computer fixed. They charge me =
to fix
it.  <o:p></o:p>

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There are exceptions of course, where benefits and =
fundraiser
events arise asking for an artist to "donate" =
their
services. But even then, there is almost always pay for the artists =
services,
even if it is not at their usual rate.<o:p></o:p>

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I can only suggest that you pay something for =
that
persons time. Maybe not the union rate of $385, but something. =
<o:p></o:p>

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I started an organization to help artists realize =
their
worth. I appreciate you taking the time to respond to that =
effort.<o:p></o:p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><strong><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Devoted advocate and founder of the <a
href=3D"http://www.gotpay.org"><font color=3Dgreen><span =
style=3D'color:green'>GOT
PAY?</span></font> <font color=3Dred><span =
style=3D'color:red'>Organization</span></font></a>-</span></font></b></st=
rong><o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'color:red;font-weight:bold'>Lipschtick</span></font></b><font =
color=3Dred
face=3DArial><span =
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style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Putting the SHOW =
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-The GOT PAY?
Organization <a href=3D"http://www.gotpay.org/">www.gotpay.org</a><=
/span> <o:p></o:p>

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>-Find Your =
Voice-Voice
Over Institute</span></font></b></strong><strong><b><font size=3D1 =
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face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href=3D"mailto:jmartin at valspar.com" =
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href=3D"mailto:neohiopal at lists.fredsternfeld.com"
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2007 6:37 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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[NEohioPAL]PLEASE
READ: Looking for voice over for safety =
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It has been brought to my attention that my posting =
for
voice over artists with no pay has been miss read and was not made clear =
in the
original post. Please let me clarify my intentions and maybe ease some =
irate
minds out there. First of all THIS IS NOT A CORPORATE video. At my =
place
of employment, we are required to have a weekly safety meeting. At those
meetings, employees take turns giving  a presentation on a safety =
topic.
They are very informal. In the past, when it was my turn, I chose =
to make
a short video instead of standing up and giving a boring speech and =
handing out
flyers. My fellow employees have come to enjoy the break in routine of =
these
meetings with my videos. The videos are produced on my own time with my =
own
money (if I need any). No one but employees see these videos. NO ONE =
makes any
money and NO PRODUCTS are promoted. These are simply fun alternatives to =
giving
a safety speech. I apologize if anyone has felt I was trying (or more
appropriate my company) was trying to get something for nothing while =
making a
huge profit on free talent. The company I work for has nothing to to do =
with
the production of these videos. All the actors  in the past have =
been
employees who work here. I hope this helps clear up things. My =
intentions were
not presented clearly, and again I apologize for that. If anyone has any
further concerns, please feel free to e-mail me. I will do my best to =
explain
and answer your questions.<o:p></o:p>

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